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Daniel Estulin joins Greg Hunter for a blockbuster interview about the realpolitik that informs the strange behavior of politicians on the world stage.

He reminds viewers that he spent 24 years in Russian military counterintelligence and that he’s also a Doctor of Conceptual Intelligence, trained to “create models that define the future of humanity…at least one or two generations in advance…” In short, he is not a conspiracy theorist.

He explains that, like most of the world, the United States is controlled by the Liberal banking financiers, which is the domain of Wall Street, Washington’s bureaucracy, the intelligence agencies, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the Rockefeller crowd, the Soroses, the Mainstream Media, the London School of Economics, the Wharton School of Business, the big Think Tanks, the big foundations, the rating agencies; in short, the people who’ve controlled the world for the past three generations, since 1944.

All of the above are part of this Liberal banking order – not just in the US but globally. Trump’s job, as the representative of an alternative, isolationist, industrial group is to dismantle this power structure. This is not a battle between the Republicans or the Democrats…it’s against the current global financial model.

“In 2008, the global elite circles…reached an agreement to hand over the power of the emission of the US dollar to the global elite, via the Bank for International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks…The only thing they needed was for Obama to sign off on this deal. Nobody knows about this but Obama decided he’s not gonna do that; he’s not gonna let the global elite circles control the emission of the US dollar.”

My own source tells me this was the moment the Bush-Clinton crime family attempted to usurp the power of the central bankers for themselves, a crime for which they will not be forgiven by Basel.

Estulin continues, “What we’re seeing right now is the fight…for the control of emission of US dollar,” and Trump is the enemy [of the Liberal banking order]. “That’s why you have all the screaming and yelling in the media.”

Russia is in a similar position. “Russia’s economic financial policy is written in the offices of International Monetary Fund…” Russia’s equivalent to the US Federal Reserve’s Jerome Powell is Elvira Nabiullina, the Director of the Russian Central Bank. Estulin says Nabiullina has no responsibility to Russia. “She works directly for Christine Lagarde, the General Director of International Monetary Fund…You are not allowed to make investments in rubles in Russia. You can only do it in dollars, just to give you an idea who controls Russia’s economy!

“If Putin decided to fire [Elvira] Nabiullina…and replaced her with somebody who is a patriot, immediately, the International Monetary Fund and the ratings agencies would emit a report that would say, ‘According to our best practices and knowledge, the person who is running Russia’s Central Bank is absolutely incompetent,’ and they’d lower Russia’s credit to junk and because private corporations cannot have a higher credit rating than the government itself, every Russian company’s credit rating will be lowered to junk, which means Russian economy would collapse in a matter of hours, which is why until the Liberal banking financier global order is not dismantled, Putin has his hands tied – and the same with Trump – and that’s what we’re seeing right now, globally…

“You have a civil war in the United States. There is the Liberal banking financiers’ United States; the parasites, who play with numbers, don’t produce anything at all and then you have the the alternative group, the people who put in Donald Trump…the isolationists and industrialists.

Estulin says there are two different ways out of this crisis:

1. Global Thermonuclear War…wars write off debts and responsibilities. You have a four…quadrillion-dollar global debt…It’s a four and fifteen zeros. There’s absolutely no way you can pay that off, ever. But Wars can write that off.” In this scenario, half of the world’s population or more would be killed. China, with over a billion people would survive. Russia, the country with the biggest territory would survive but “The United States will not survive. Europe will not survive. Latin America, nobody knows where that is and Africa is what it is. So, that’s one of the ways out of the crisis. Another way out of the crisis is the change from the Atlanticism to the:

“2. Pacific area of influence…the Rockefellers lost in 2012 against the Rothschilds. The Rockefellers are the bankers, the percentages and the Rothschilds are the changers…Changers, what does that mean? it means separating the world into regional territories…the dismantling of countries…and creating regional economic blocs…

The Bretton-Woods global economic model is collapsing. In London, Brexit was developed to avoid being caught up in that. Estulin says, “Their plan was to create a separate economic region with the Golden Dinar for them and for the Arab world” and Israel as a nation-state was to be sacrificed. “Kissinger said it, way back in 2012 and it was published in New York Post, that Israel, in ten years was going to disappear. Jacob Rothschild, somebody who’s very well-informed said the same thing.

“In that plan, you need to get rid of all of the leaders in the northern region of Africa. We’ve been there for 30 years; Bouteflika in Algiers, Gaddafi in Libya, Mubarak in Egypt, etc. and thus, you have the Arab Spring. The second part, you gotta get rid of Turkey, because Turkey has dibs, through the Ottoman Empire, on some of the same Arab countries that England, the British Empire wanted to incorporate into the new regions – they did that, okay because Turkey is not allowed into the European Union and a third step, again as I said, get rid of Israel by joining forces.

“Now the whole thing was already prepared. The only thing that was missing was for Hillary Clinton to become President of United States and she was all for it – but she lost. Trump wasn’t gonna go for it and thus, the Empire created Plan B – and Plan B and I explained in my book, is Macron and France…

“We’re seeing the end of the Bretton Woods, we’re seeing the end of the petrodollar model, because Trump was elected President and his mandate, from the people behind him was to dismantle the petrodollar; dismantle that and get rid of the World Trade Organization – and what we see Trump doing is going up against the International Monetary Fund, he’s going against World Bank, the G7. They are the enemies of Trump and of the people behind him because they represent Liberal banking financial model…

“It has nothing to do with ideologies. It has nothing to do with Donald Trump being an unpalatable president, who’s bringing disrepute to the United States – as if the Mainstream Media ever cared about the United States as an entity. It’s about control of the emission center because the model is now dead. They need an alternative model and so they’re looking at, just to summarize, either:

“Global thermonuclear war [or the separation of the world into economic regions] – and that’s why you see all that stuff in the Middle East again, what’s Trump doing in Afghanistan? What’s he doing in Syria? He’s done something that Putin hasn’t been able to do. He’s extricating himself out of that mess, because he understands that anytime, this thing can explode…

“Wars write off debts and responsibilities, which is why we’re seeing all this maneuvering. We don’t know who is going to win. We don’t know the end of the story. What we do know is why all this stuff is going on…

“The easiest thing for Trump to have done when he became President was to push the interest rates to four, five, six percent. That would have collapsed the entire global order, which are the enemies of Donald Trump but then, it’s like we have a table and you cut two legs off the table collapses but to make sure the table doesn’t collapse, you need to prop it up somehow, which means Trump would have needed to come up with an alternative model…

“You asked me about gold. We’re looking at a changing of the guard from the Atlantic to the Pacific, from petrodollar to ounces, physical ounces of gold, which is what the Chinese have a lot of.

So, the new economic model, again, the separation of regions, Make America Great Again is…the United States shutting the door, saying to the rest of the world, ‘Go to Hell.'”

Greg Hunter: “Gold’s gonna be an important component of whatever world we have; gold, silver, precious metals.”

Daniel Estulin: “It’ll be a very important component, now what needs to happen is the Chinese and the Russians can work together but not right now because today’s Russia is [dominated by the] Liberal banking financier crowd…The only way that the Russians the Chinese can actually work together if you get rid of Liberal [financiers]…”

Greg Hunter: “What does a little guy do? What does the guy listening to this interview, saying, ‘What should I do? Do you plan on a collapse? Do you plan on a war? Do you plan on a hyperinflation? Do you plan on a new dollar?…What does the guy watching this do?

Daniel Estulin: “One thing you need to understand is you’ve got a back Trump…our only way out of this is to make sure that Donald Trump actually stays President of the United States, because the entire welfare of Russia and everywhere else depends on the non-Liberal crowd winning.

“Second point, make sure you have physical gold and silver. Make sure you don’t have paper gold, because when the markets go ‘poof’, that thing is going to disappear. Make sure you understand that all the noise you hear in the mainstream media, it’s what it is, it’s noise and it doesn’t matter…this latest stuff, with some kids in Catholic school or talk about some silly football game or talking about what Trump did or said, whether he picked his nose at a birthday party – it’s all nonsense – you’ve got a look at a bigger picture…

The model which has been working since 1944, Bretton Woods; based on infinite growth is dead. Either we come up with a new model or we go to Hell.

Greg Hunter: Daniel Estulin, the author best-selling multiple international best-selling author of his latest book, In the Shadows of a President. Daniel, thanks for coming on from Toronto, thank you so much.


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  • Where does one begin?…..Firstly thank you Alexandra for giving us this interview. It was extremely interesting.
    I think most people watching the ‘goings on’ in the world of ‘politics’, if that is the word one chooses to use has had a gut feeling that there are huge shadows behind the MSM crappola. It’s getting harder and harder for those outlets to keep what they have disguised as ‘news’ and cross their fingers that most of the population is buying it.
    One can see that the petro-dollar is collapsing. We have reached the end of our ‘western-way’ and all that that is in the financing of our way of life.
    I never consider any ‘leader’ of any country ‘in charge’ of anything; he/she has been placed by some power & if they don’t do the job there are many more waiting in the wings for the role. This explains completely why Donald Trump is the US President. It is very obvious to those that do any reading that his being elected was a huge chess move. One that I personally find very refreshing. I don’t know of too many ‘men’ that could stomach it. I like to have access to different alternative information sources and take what I can away with me to try and sort out what is happening in the world. This isn’t just about Trump….he’s one of the main players but if anyone dismisses any ‘take’ on any situation in todays’ world, they do so at their own peril. Who, What, When, Where & Why are the keys to figuring out how this dangerous & let’s not kid ourselves, horrific story may end for a lot of us. Unbelievable!

  • Wow. Talk about a never load of Trumpanzee bullshit. Shove it up your asses, fucking Russian stooge traitor piles of fucking shit.

  • A lot of contradictory nonsense. If Trump is the best these “anti-international monetary nogoodnicks” can put forth to lead us to “the promise land,” then they’re hardly as smart as they purport to be.

    Trump is a putrid, disgusting human being; a pathological liar; and a sociopathic narcissist. He knows only how to sow fear, hate and division. He and his enablers in congress are wrecking this country and are only out to further enrich themselves and their already super rich donors.

    How Mr. Estulin and Mr. Hunter don’t see this is beyond me, but gives me solid evidence not to give much credence to what they’re saying.

  • Go read the latest article about CHUMP’s backing of the so-called “Deep-State” for ABSOLUTE proof that he is working for, and always WiLL be “Deep-State”!
    The Proof is at “Covert”…Its Still there right now!
    The south american Venezuela is Chump’s next target
    AWAKEN Folks!

  • More Trump-Chit Huh?…Guess no one noticed the Chump is trying to start another WAR over in South America, by backing ANOTHER Un-elected president over there AGAINST the wished of the rest of the world.
    Its all over the news right now…Trump is nothing more than a Vatican backed Adolf Hitler….working also in behalf of the FAKE Jew bankers…Who’s favorite tactic is “Perpetual-War” to save their ashes….THEY LOVE WAR!
    There a NEED for the Return of the ORIGINAL “Melanin Female Creator” to this planet…and its “On-it’s-way”!

  • Pretty crazy info.
    1. Interesting how is he able to put out all this info – write books – if he is Russian ‘intelligence insider’?? .. and big publishing houses publish his work? Has Greg done research to verify this?
    2. As far as another model … why do they never discuss cyrptos ???? and how would gold replace it – goes back to the same issue as before – can’t carry around alot of heavy metal – today, cannot use it to pay online … unless it is just to back another fiat. ?? !

    It does explain many things and makes sense in a lot of ways. It is a battle – most people haven’t seen it and, I think, do / will find it a little mind boggling… it is not what we have been taught ! (LOL)
    May we all truly ‘wake up’ and take personal responsibility for ourselves and say ‘no’ … the French seem to be taking the lead.

    • “I don’t know, but I bin told,
      It’s hard to run beneath the weight of gold,
      Other hand I heard it said,
      It;s just as hard beneath the weight of lead…”
      (Grateful Dead)
      What we should be looking at is friendship and community, on a local and global scale.
      The quality of the relationships we have, will determine our survival.

    • I think you’ll find that gold & silver have alot of uses…apart from continiuing a “fiat backed currency.”

  • Tightly knit scenario’s…I question the connection of donnie to ‘industrialists’ (his policies have only enriched the banksters and MIC) as he has done nada for US mfg/industrial power.
    If one buys this entire tale, one must justify a mindset intent upon either nuclear annihilation or self induced financial ruin. I don’t buy the ‘either, or’.
    Money is not now in great piles because it is prone to suicide. It piles on and changes the course of mighty rivers, be they opinion or might.
    Sure, the present ‘unlimited growth’ idea is done, but, uh, does anyone believe that TPTSB did not see that gaping hole when they promoted Bretton-Woods and relegated their options to certain nuclear death or financial bankruptcy? No sale here…
    One last poser, how is any banking system considered ‘liberal’? This entire thinking avenue is questionable due simply to:
    “24 years in Russian military counterintelligence and that he’s also a Doctor of Conceptual Intelligence, trained to “create models that define the future of humanity…at least one or two generations in advance…” THAT my friends is a real tricky word salad background with which to be sellin’ credibility.

    • The Council on Foreign Relations refers to the current world order as “Liberal”.

      I think he uses the term “Liberal” here more in the sense that “Neoliberalism” is commonly used; referring more to laissez-faire economics than to ideals of equality and liberty:

      However, the common usage of “Liberalism” is strongly associated with “Internationalism”, which is also part of his implied meaning:

      • Yeh, I knee-jerked that a tad. Heh, fiscally liberal to the club, printing as much debt liberally as ‘the guys’ will be needing for more war lucre and future endeavors for perpetuating aggression…en weeez uh payin’.

        THAT is where hubris and good sense, regardless of ‘big brain’ planning via AI, sup[er-algo’s, Sun-Tsu or mature game theory, shoots the ol fooright off.
        This Lincoln quote of what I consider to be a basic social principle illustrates the elite hubris well:

        “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.” Abraham Lincoln

      • This bit of Lincoln reflects TPTSB as right in the face of seeding a coup and treason at least, during his admin. Has a very modern fragrance:
        “I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy….. I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war.” – Abraham Lincoln

        • my thoughts exactly, Joe
          He is right about almost everything, and the little bit left over, that I’m not sure of, and have been wondering about for years….” In Russia, we have to do business in dollars; we aren’t allowed to do business in roubles”…because the credit rating monster would steal all our cookies…
          Is this true?
          The guy is a trained liar, and he’s pumping out books with no danger from plutonium.
          On serious consideration, it probably is true.
          So is he setting us up for the Big Lie next time?
          Stay tuned to …drumroll…Forbidden Knowledge, dot com……

  • Wow! The best interview I’ve ever seen explaining what’s really going on in the world. Thank you so much. I will send this to everybody I know.

  • The best we can do is not succumb to hatred and greed or support these corrupt leaders and political systems. We can become a better human being.

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