John Cullen joins Owen Shroyer to argue his version of events during the assassination attempt of Trump. Owen believes that there was only one shooter and John shows bullet trajectories from three directions: from Thomas Crooks, on the “sloped roof”, from the water tower – and from a tree.
John says he’s arrived at his conclusions based on the photographic evidence and the ballistic evidence; starting with the ballistic evidence first, which matches the photographic evidence, which in turn, indicates the direction of fire.
John runs this video over and over of the first bullet fired and how it grazed one guy and struck objects in the Right Bleacher, and then a second guy actually took the bullet and is in critical condition. He says:
“I’m looking down that back row of those bleachers. And what I’m seeing is a whole bunch of kinetic reactions. I’m seeing people falling down. I’m seeing, I think it’s a purse flying out of a lady’s hands down the row. And it’s all happening. If you guys listen closely, it’s happening on that first shot…
“It happens at the same instant. And that’s two points on the line. So let’s watch that one more time, that back row. I’m highlighting each person and how they’re reacting. Is the purse flying away? Let’s take a look. Take a look at what happens.
“The guy in the white shorts and the white shirt goes down. He goes down. Okay but everything else along the line is happening at that same instant. Bang! The purse flies out of her hands. Bang! We see the puff of smoke at the rail the same time the guy in white goes down. And you hear the shot. You hear it.”
According to George Webb, this first man, dressed in white to be hit is David Dutch. George says:
“James Coperhaver, 74, is the second person to be hit by the same first shot bullet, standing by the railing on the same grandstand as David Dutch. You can see David Dutch in the white shirt clutching his chest in this same picture from this same gunshot.”
John Cullen claims that these two victims were hit by the same bullet. George agrees and he also agrees that the direction from where the two were hit was not from the direction of Thomas Crooks on the “sloped roof”, because in order for the two to be hit in a line, that path lines up with the red path, below, which leads to the woods – presumably, up a tree in the woods behind the barns, which busts the FBI/DHS narrative.
George continues, “From my Substack posting about four days ago, “New Evidence Points To Shooters,” you can clearly see Victim Dutch in Blue and Victim Coperhaver in Red. The firing line does not line up with the Crooks American Glass Research Building sniper position at all. It’s a Double Dutch Bust of the FBI/DHS narrative. Here is the reverse angle.
“No matter how you look at the shots and the firing lines, this evidence amounts to a Double Dutch Bust of the FBI/DHS narrative. Two firing lines mean two shooters. Two shooters mean a conspiracy, as I said four days ago.”
John Cullen continues his argument with Owen Shroyer, “The only anomaly in that back row is the guy in the black pants and the white shirt. He’s not really in the back row. He’s like two rows down. And he gets hit a millisecond after that right corner shot. That guy is getting hit a millisecond after that right corner rail. And you’re going to see it goes pop-up, pop-up. The rail gets hit. Then he gets it. That’s two shots.
“The first shot hits that rail and everybody along that back row is responding in some way. The guy in the white pants and the white shirt is hit. It looks like the lady’s purse gets blown out of her hands and it hits the rail.
“But an instant later, the guy in the white shirt and the black pants is hit [which John believes is Bullet #2]
“So there’s a guy in the white shorts and white shirt, red hat. He goes down. That’s one. All right…you see the guy, if you see the guy in the black pants and the white shirt move, that’s one, two.”
Owen agrees, “Yes, you’re correct. Now, just to clarify too, are these the first two shots?”
“Yes, Sir,” John replies.
“So one of these shots, if it is a single shooter, one of these shots grazes Trump’s ear?” Owen asks.
“Maybe,” John replies, “I’m saying if there’s a single shooter, then if these are the first two shots, one of these two shots grazed Trump’s ear and then went and hit these stands. If that’s the case, it would have to be the shot that hits the guy in the black pants and the white shirt.”
“I agree. Because the other shirt, the other shot doesn’t line up. Yes,” says Owen. John believes this second shot came from Thomas Crooks but that the first shot came from an unexpected place – not the water tower but from the woods.
“That’s the punchline here,” says John. “The punchline here is if there’s a round traveling along that back row of bleachers, it takes out the guy in the white shorts and the white shirt and hits the railing. That’s two points on a line. I’ve got a line. Guess where the line points? You’re going to get goosebumps…And this is the uncomfortable part of all this, is that that shot is coming from the woods, coming from a tree. And that’s uncomfortable, right? So that’s like weird…
“But there’s more, right? So what we’re seeing is it can’t be coming from Crooks. That’s the point. If everybody in that back row is losing purses, losing hats, the shirts get torn, one guy gets hit, the other guy gets hit.
“Then the black pants-white shirt guy gets hit in the hip or something. That’s a separate shot. That shot came from Crooks. The shot that hit the guy in the black pants, white shirt hit was from Crooks. But I do not believe the shot that hit the President or President Trump, former President Trump. I don’t believe Crooks took that shot. I can show you why…based on ballistic evidence.”
John argues that when Trump turned to face the Jumbotron with the illegal immigration statistics, the angle of his head made it such that Crook’s could not have clipped his ear from that direction.
“Crooks can’t hit his right ear if he’s glancing at the Jumbotron. There’s something directly behind that Jumbotron. Can you guys in the control room pull up a video that was in that folder that says shooter in the water tower? Let’s listen to that if you don’t mind…
“I got another eye witness. I got another eyewitness. There’s a video that says, ‘he killed the gentleman’.
(Roll video of eyewitness)
“The sharpshooter shot to the left. He killed the gentleman in the water tower, here. The sharpshooter shot to the left.“
John continues, “The real shooters on the water tower. Let’s take a look at that. So you just heard a couple of eyewitnesses tell you that they shot a guy on the water tower.
“I said, well, ‘What the Hell would you do that for? And why was that being covered up?’ So the real shooters on the water tower is some footage that somebody took. Shaky footage. The water tower is way off on the horizon. So I gotta zoom all the way in, stabilize, sharpen. It’s royal pain in the butt. So it’s not gonna look great, but we’re looking for an anomaly, okay? You’re not looking to figure out is the guy in Fila, right? We’re looking for an anomaly.
“Do you see an anomaly on top of the water tank is the question. So let’s let this run and see what we see.
(Rolls video a few times)
“I’m just looking for movement. I’m looking for anything that tells me that’s not just a shadow. So now I’ve got one last video, which is where are they running? And that’s the last we’re gonna take a look at and then we can wrap up.
“So where are they running to? And this is another eyewitness video sent to me by one of my subscribers, right?…There’s a bunch of cops running over towards the water tower…
“She says, ‘Where are they running to?’ And just pause when we get to the water tower. And then I don’t know if you guys have the ability to zoom in on that portion of the video in the control room…can you go up to the top of the frame? There we go. There we go. All right.
“Do we see any dark shadowy figures up on the toppy, tippy, tippy top of that water tower moving around? And she wants to know, why is everybody running over there? I think you got a shooter on top of that tower.
“I think we got a shadowy figure moving. I’ve got photographs before and after where first we see somebody and then we don’t. And we’ve got eyewitnesses who are, you know, 50 year old, 60 year old women saying they shot the guy in the water tower. So I don’t imagine she is lying.
“Imagine, you see a bunch of guys running across the thing away from Trump and there’s no gunfire yet. Nobody’s fired around and they’re running towards the water tower.
“And next thing you know, we hear from some 60 year old lady that they shot some guy in the water tower. And I think the way Trump’s head lines up with the Jumbotron, let’s go, let’s wrap up with that image, guys. The new crime scene infographic.
“So the new crime scene infographic shows everything we just talked about. The people in the back row of the bleachers, the shots at Trump by Crooks. He took shots at Trump. He missed. I think the guy in the water tower is the guy who clips his ear.
“Crooks is shooting. He hits the guy with the black pants and the white shirt. He hits the hydraulic line. Crane comes down.
“So he’s shooting. I don’t know who takes him out, but whoever took him out, took him out in the mouth. That’s a hell of a shot.
“This is showing you, you’ve got that first shot down the back row of the bleachers. You’ve got a shot potentially from the water tower that clips Trump’s ear. And then you’ve got your 20 year old incel shooting at Trump and missing but he hits the guy with the black pants and the white shirt. And that’s what the ballistic evidence indicates to me. But I could be wrong, though.”
Owen then wants to respond and he says, “I’ve done very similar analysis to you. The two things that you highlight that would raise some curiosity for me is I would just ask the question: were Secret Service the snipers shot at, now? Will we get that information? That’s a major piece of information that would change everything. If the Secret Service was indeed shot at, that changes everything…
John responds, “I think it’s pretty clear. I think it’s pretty clear that they are. We have video footage isolating them.”
When Owen presses him, John concedes, “They could have been flinching because they heard gunshots. I’m just leaving that open for interpretation.”
Owen then argues that, “To take that shot on a water tower when you have to stand up and balance yourself, I just don’t I just don’t see that that is possible. And plus…the bullet would have ended up hitting the front of the stage. And I think somebody would have seen that.
“Now, I talked to multiple eyewitnesses. Nobody mentioned any bullets hitting the front of the stage or anybody in the crowd in front of Trump. And I feel like if any shots came from the water tower that that would have happened and somebody would have seen that. And I would just say the video footage of a shadow on the water tower is just there’s not enough for me there to lean into that….
“Now, the other issue I have with with his head turning, is…I think the better measurements to use for that are the tip of his hat, because it’s kind of the Trump has kind of point. There’s like a little point at the tip of his hat. And then that one new video where the guy takes the most regrettable selfie of all time.
“If you watch that, Trump’s cheek is actually parallel with the podium. So when and I think that if you review the video, I think you might agree if you do if you do another review that his cheek is actually parallel with the podium and that when he’s turning, he’s really looking out of his peripheral vision and he’s not fully facing the video board.”
The two debate this and other details. Owen finally agrees that the first shot could not have come from Crooks and John is willing to concede that Crooks may have fired the second shot, which struck the guy in the black pants but which may have clipped Trump’s ear, en route.
The two agree that they’ve had a constructive conversation and agree to do an update next week with new details, should they emerge.
On Friday morning, Tony Seruga, self-described Big Data Scientist & Pioneer and CIA/NSA Contractor/Whistleblower tweeted that they had “Tracked the black SUV that had picked up our phantom water tower sniper that escpaed using a zip line via the backside of the water tower into the trees and then on foot a short jaunt to Meridian Road. With 💯 confidence, based on cel phone data, that particular sniper was FBI and the SUV was registered to the Department of Agriculture”:
Seruga claims, “My partners and I have been lifetime data scientists. We own the digital ID of every mobile device/computer in the US and have indexed and archived every IP address in the world. Our extensive experience in big and deep data, including geotracking and geolocation makes our dozens of data companies the top authority for providing data to corporations, law enforcement and US government agencies like the CIA, NSA, DoD, DIA, NGA, NRO, FBI, as well as Interpol and foreign intelligence organizations.”
Then, curiously on Sunday morning, Trump posted to TRUTHSocial:
