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Alex Jones: Why doesn’t Maduro just leave? Why is Trump saying, “No, don’t leave?”
Patrick Byrne: At one point, Iran, Russia, and China all turned him down. They said, “We can’t take the heat, we don’t want you here.”
And Turkey, there was a place in Northern Turkey that was agreed to, I thought, that he could go with his cronies and his mafiosis, and they could live out their days, and no one’s gonna kill them. They can live out their days and never be charged in Northern Turkey.
That seems to have fallen apart. Trump’s not gonna let him leave, but I’m also hearing – I mean…my special visitors are still in communication with all kinds of people in government in Venezuela. And what we’re hearing is he’s being told he’s gonna get killed if he leaves.
But yeah, they recently came out, Michelle Obama, in the last days of Biden, Michelle Obama went in and used the Autopen. I think there were four or five pardons she gave.
And then, you’d love to see – who knows if they charged a million dollars a pardon? Who knows…that’s so illegal. That is so illegal! But they’ve gotten away with murder for 17 years. There’s no rule of law.
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Alex Jones: Alright, Patrick Byrne, we’re getting to his full bio, is an entrepreneur, been a billionaire but spent most of his money fighting the Globalists. His two decades as the Founder and CEO of overstock.com were years of innovation and breakthroughs that became part of the fabric of e-commerce.
Prior to building the $2 billion enterprise, Byrne earned a BA from Dartmouth, focused on Philosophy, Chinese Studies, Master in Philosophy from Cambridge and a Marshall Scholar, focused on ethics, PhD in Philosophy from Stanford, Logic, Economics, Political Theory, Political Science. In 2006, Milton Friedman named Byrne to succeed him. That’s a huge deal. The Chairman of the Milton Friedman Foundation.
In 2004, Byrne and he and the oligarchy got crosswise, and he has been at odds ever since. Byrne believes the oligarchy has two wings, Wall Street settlement and the Deep State, and that he has them surrounded @PatrickByrne on X, EnemyWithinDocuseries.com, books and films about his life.
Patrick, I want to get into Venezuela and Trump’s big address at 4 PM Central today from the Oval Office.
What will that be, the announce of strikes or a deadline or who knows? But first off –
Patrick Byrne: Oh, that’s news, that’s news. He’s called the press at 4 PM today? Super.
Alex Jones: That’s what they’re saying, yeah. Well, guys, pull that up, we’ll put it on the screen.
But, you know, things change, but we’ll see. But big picture in the minutes we have to break, eight minutes to break, the open Seditious Six, the whole Soros thing, attacking ICE, saying they deserve it, attacking the National Guard, turning up the heat, saying their illegal orders.
Clearly, they’re moving with the Podesta plan and the coup operation that I and Flynn and others have been warning of. Thank God now that’s a front burner issue.
How do the Globalists carry out this Color Revolution if people aren’t caught flat-footed? Is Trump going to do an Oval Office address, dealing with that Big Picture? How’s the Left doing, right now?
Patrick Byrne: The Left is in a scramble, and they’re panicking. They’re really in a go-for-broke mode, because we threw off their timing in so many ways. First, by upsetting them on the election, but even then, getting back in, they thought they were going to stall for four years.
By going for the jugular, by taking Venezuela out…they know everything’s going to come out.
The new woman, Maria, MCM, Maria Corina Machado, the new president, presumably, they’re going to make everything public. Everything public about what these people have done. These dirty Bolsheviks have been cheating elections for 20 years in 72 nations, bending history, so the West smashes into a wall.
It’s the greatest crime in history, as a DHS person said to me. Really, it’s the greatest crime since Caesar was stabbed. So they’re in a go-for-broke mode.
Now, what’s crazy is that everybody you’re seeing…Tulsi Gabbard’s out there this weekend saying, “We have given criminal indictments on Barack Obama. Barack Obama took part, he was the spearhead of an insurrection to overthrow the United States Government.”
Alex Jones: And she’s released the documents.
Patrick Byrne: You know who’s been saying this? That everyone thought went crazy in 2019, when I came out and said, “Look, I worked for Brennan, Comey, and Obama. I was in a coup to overturn the government. It started Thanksgiving of 2015. I was in the room. It’s not a theory!”
So it’s so weird, after five, six years, it’s all coming in from these official people. And they’re like, “Oh!” you know, everyone who’s been following the story gets that this exact conversation –
Alex Jones: And they’re releasing the emails and you’ve been screaming bloody murder. So it’s gotta be refreshing that’s happening.
Patrick Byrne: I could’ve proved this in 24 hours. They could have put me, General Flynn wanted me in front of the Senate. He said, “Just go under oath in front of the Senate.” I could have proven this in 24 hours, years ago. There’s such a cone of silence around me! Thank you for – God bless you – for breaking that, because you’re the biggest voice in America – and the world, I think. So anyway, yeah, we have them dead to rights,
They are completely exposed. You know, if you talk to a shrink about narcissists, they hate dealing with Narcissistic Personality Disorder more than anything, because you can treat Schizophrenia, Bipolarity, but Narcissism is so tough. And a Narcissist’s biggest fear is public exposure, because a Narcissist is all about, they feel this hole and they try to overcompensate by being the guy with the flashy cars, the flashy girls, the girl with the whatever. So it’s this overcompensation. And the thing they’re always afraid of that terrifies them is public exposure.
These people are gonna be exposed for the frauds they are, starting with Barack Obama, who – what I love about this, you know my story with the rape and murder? I planted, in the middle of this Russia Hoax…when I figured out what was going on and my life was threatened, I put them in the position that to continue – well, I’ve told you that story before about the rape and murder, right? Barack Obama signed-off on rape and murder, so that we could continue setting up this hoax.
Now, the rape and murder was a hoax, it was a sting, but they didn’t know that. And I’m told that that’s the biggest secret at the core of this; is how do they spin this, when it turns out Brennan and Barack Obama signed-off on letting the rape and murder slide…so that we could continue setting up this completely fake Russia Hoax that I was in from the beginning.
The whole thing was a hoax from day one. In fact, they haven’t even dug back far enough. It’s great, that they’re getting back to what Barack Obama was doing in 2016 and such.
I can tell you, this thing was going on by February of 2015.
Alex Jones: And just to be clear: General Flynn was the head National Security advisor, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency before that. He can’t release classified info, but he has confirmed that you indeed were at the center of that. And that’s on record, but not for other sources you were. But separately, the point is, I’ve never seen you so optimistic. You were saying we were behind the eight ball, years ago.
Clearly, they’re scared. Even if Trump can’t get the Justice Department to stop being anemic, he’s got a lot of other tools and just exposure of this will bring them down. That’s what makes Brennan and Obama and the Clinton Crime Syndicate that’s now super unpopular on the left, Hollywood’s collapsing, their own networks aren’t confident, their systems are falling apart. They have whistleblowers out the door at DOJ. Their whole house of cards is coming down, which does make them dangerous, though.
Patrick Byrne: Makes them dangerous, but they’ve lost. This is like in basketball. I learned when I was a kid, you don’t have to be faster than the other guy, just quicker. He’s got his game plan on how he’s gonna drive for the net. He may be better and faster, but if you just learn to trip him up, if you trip him up, so he can’t go through with his plan, that’s what we really did over the last four years. We kept on tripping up their drive in the paint.
I think that they’ve got – Obama has a problem. One of his own people came out on CNN last week. It’s really breaking, one of his own administration, Obama administration people came out and said, it is now, “We have to admit it, there’s incontrovertible evidence that Barack Obama spearheaded an effort to take over the United States Government.”
Alex Jones: And we have the former Chief-of-Staff coming out, as I was told four months ago by sources, and saying the Autopen, Biden wasn’t running it. Trump just overturned all that. So the point is, they’re now turning on their former bosses, which shows they know they’re done. I mean, explain how big a deal that is, to have their top people – because it’s not just – you know they’ve already gone to the White House.
Then, the White House says, “Well, then go show us. If we were to trust you to go public.” They’re now going public. So explain what happened last week.
Patrick Byrne: Well, networks, a general rule is networks under pressure break down. They start breaking down, people turn on each other. So, just by keeping the pressure on over a long time, it’s breaking down, people are off trying to make their own deals.
You know, roll early, roll often. When you’re in a mafia like this, you wanna be one of the first guys to roll. It doesn’t do you any good to wait till other people have given up the information.
But yeah, they recently came out, Michelle Obama in the last days of Biden, Michelle Obama went in and used the Autopen. I think there were four or five pardons she gave. And then, you’d love to see – who knows if they charged a million dollars a pardon? Who knows how that – that’s so illegal. That is so illegal!
But they’ve gotten away with murder for 17 years. There’s no rule of law on all these crazy scandals that you’ve talked about. There’s no rule of law.
Alex Jones: And by the way, I watch body language. I’ve seen Obama in the few interviews he’s done. He is a stuttering idiot. He is scared. All of his bravado is gone.
Patrick Byrne: Well, for the first time in life, he hasn’t got a bunch of people carrying him and he’s turned gray. I mean, he just looks terrible. I’m sorry to see that. I don’t want him ill health – but he overthrew the country and I’m saying that, as a guy who worked for him.
I was a national intelligence asset directly under his pen. And I’m telling you this: he tried to overthrow the United States Government. It all started Thanksgiving of 2015, but it really all, at the very least, it really all started then.
Alex Jones: Alright, stay there. Let’s go to Venezuela next. Stay with us. Talking to Patrick Byrne. He’s going to leave us in 30 minutes and I’ll take all the calls. Appreciate you holding.
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Alex Jones: Alright, Patrick Byrne. You don’t toot your own horn, but you’ve been obsessed with Venezuela for decades. You’ve been heavily involved in exposing their last election as a fraud. We’ll leave it at that, because that’s classified.
And you know me. You’re a big Libertarian, took over Milton Friedman. My God, you’re anti-war. And I’ve gotten some criticism from listeners, which is fine, because I have integrity. When I think I’m right, I look at everything, I say it. I support regime change in Venezuela, because they’ve been involved in our business.
But I think you can talk about fentanyl and cocaine. They’re not the biggest one, but they do control Mexico, so that’s a big problem. So if you add that together, they are. But now it’s moved to Canada.
But it’s the election meddling, the big piggy bank, and we have all these former CIA section chiefs suddenly going public, showing there’s a war inside the CIA. That’s very good.
Saying, “No, they’ve got 10 times the budget of the CIA or more.”
People talk about Israel all day, heavily involved in their stuff. Great, look at it. China, heavily involved. But Venezuela is the thing nobody’s talking about.
You’ve been talking about it for decades, so have I. Quantify how big a deal this is and what it would mean, cutting off the deep state to remove Maduro, because then we’ve got Trump holding Oval Office meetings, saying today at 4 PM Central, we don’t know if it’s gonna be public, I think it will be.
11 US warships, 50,000 troops now in the Caribbean, as Venezuela tensions escalate. US pressures Maduro to leave Venezuela amid land threat. And it gets paradoxical, because Trump says he won’t let him flee and let him have amnesty in a third party. But then, that’s what they’ve been wanting, so I’m a little confused. Trump rejects Maduro’s request for amnesty and newly-disclosed phone call.
Venezuela hits out at Trump’s colonial threat. Ordinary Venezuelans prepare for war. There’s a lot to unpack here, but from your sources or your own understanding, what’s the timeline? Is Trump doing maximum pressure to make him leave? Is he saying, I won’t let you leave, but he really will.
What is going on here?
Patrick Byrne: First, this is the most necessary war since the American Revolution and arguably the Civil War. No assault has ever been taken out on the United States like this. And you have it right. For the cheap seats, they’re saying it’s about “fentanyl”, I guess. I hope they come out and lay the real case.
It’s a four-layered assault. A huge espionage assault. There’s 20 people within our government who are assets of Cuba, Venezuela. Cuba-Venezuela are a tag team. So they’ve been the front line that we’ve been facing. They’ve got 20 people, senior in government.
Secondly, they came at us over 20 years with these election systems, just changing our politics. Turns out we’re not really electing a whole bunch of the crazies that we think we’re electing. Same with Europe. The people who want Open Borders and stuff, they’re not really winning.
Alex Jones: By the way, I’ll interrupt you. I’m sorry, we’ll hold you a little bit over the next, I’m just backing you up. You’ve been saying this for two decades. Now we have Berntsen, the former…CIA Section Chief, in Afghanistan, you name it. Super highly-decorated.
I’ve seen him on Lara Logan and other shows, literally like a carbon copy of what you’re saying. And I’ve seen all these other top analysts come out and agree with you now, explaining this. So that shows that it’s good that suddenly, I think by Trump, they’ve been authorized to bring out classified information.
The point is, everything you’re saying, you’re not just talking out of your ass, here. You are dead-on; the first to say it. So this is a big deal.
Patrick Byrne: Gary and I have been eating each other off each other’s breakfast plates, on and off over the last three or four years, all over the world. We’re completely steeped in this, together. When he was at CIA and he was the Station Chief, he’s an extraordinarily accomplished, legendary CIA guy.
He was, at the end of his career, he was Station Chief, I think it was in Ecuador. And he was getting stuff on Cuba. It just came across his desk, you know, his informants and he got told to shut down any collection in Cuba. “Cuba and Venezuela are little sh¡thole countries. We don’t care about them. We’re not even collecting on them, anymore here, at the CIA.”
Alex Jones: But that was the back door to the Democrats in Deep State for operations.
Patrick Byrne: That was one of Brennan’s goons. One of Brennan’s goons, and we know which one, I don’t think his name is public yet, sent that instruction. So he got shut down.
So, that was because they were protecting Cuba and Venezuela. Cuba and Venezuela penetrated us. So there’s a counterintelligence dimension. There’s the election machine dimension. Then, there’s, they trained, Tren de Argua – it’s not only Tren de Argua, the South part of Venezuela has become a bunch of terrorist training camps with people, Hamas, everything around the world.
They probably got 100- to 150,000 trained terrorists into the United States, including 20,000 Tren de Aragua, who within them embedded several thousand cell leaders, people who were designated cell leaders. And they were trained to be the cell leaders of like 10-man cells. They have a whole system set up here.
So, Venezuela and Cuba got away with – this wasn’t just an act of war. This was an act of conquest. And it was not just an act of conquest. I would argue that they kind of won. They succeeded by installing a dope in 2020, who then opens the gates to the city. Tens of millions of military age men show up. And the election of 2024 was just supposed to be putting the padlock on the dungeon door. That was the last act and the US was over. So that’s how close we came.
The idea that we would let them slide because they give us some oil rights or some rights to mine lithium in this field, we’ll give you Mr. Trump. No way, no country in history – No way, José.
Alex Jones: And let’s be clear, the CIA, as you reported a month ago, it’s now been confirmed last week, didn’t want them to remove Maduro fully. They wanted to leave him. He’d still be in charge and put in as intelligence chief. Trump rightfully said no, because the CIA wants to piggyback.
And let’s just be clear right here, a little bit of history. Type in Rex 84 on YouTube; congressional hearings to show. The left always said, “Oh, look, Rex 84, a martial law plan.” No, they discovered a Cuban, Latin American plan with the Soviets to try to create riots in America, use illegal aliens as an uprising. And that’s where you have Rex 84 and the mass plan, but it wasn’t needed then, but that shows the foreshadowing. We still had patriots.
Now, the real Rex 84 is here and Trump has to implement Rex 84, because this is a true assault. I mean, this is time to dust off Rex 84. Patrick Byrne.
Patrick Byrne: Yeah, there’s a, everything you said squared, there’s a, and I’m gonna tell you something, but only because it’s already been broken, that it was already broken about Hugo Carvajal, who is, so yes, the CIA is two asses in one pair of underwear with the Cartel, it turns out. This may be a Cartel production back to ’93. It’s crazy. The CIA has been involved with Hugo Chávez, maybe back to ’93!
Alex Jones: Well, like you said, your findings, now you know. I said this before I even said it. It’s not China who’s the boss. It’s the rogue, Globalist CIA at the top.
Patrick Byrne: Yeah, it’s rogue, Globalist CIA. So that’s gone on. This is the key to showing so much corruption within America, to revealing so much corruption. They have compromised, in this slow, steady [pace]. People laugh at Cuba, Venezuela.
Aren’t those the countries that train their soldiers with broomsticks because they don’t have the money for a real rifle? Yeah, they’re Leninist countries. They are masters of espionage. And Americans don’t understand espionage in their DNA like they do in other countries.
Alex Jones: That’s right, Communists only exploits the country they control to take over the next. So you look at how poor they are with the richest country in the hemisphere, you think, “Oh, they’re a joke.” No, explain the magnitude of money, as your colleague was explaining. I mean, how much more money do they have than even our intelligence agencies?
Patrick Byrne: Oh, well, we believe they’ve stolen $1.7 trillion. There’s at least six individuals who’ve stolen over a $100 billion. For your reference, that’s well over the size of the CIA. So, there’s individuals who have nation-state wealth who are completely evil.
So…the holdup this year has been the CIA has been telling Trump, “Don’t get rid of Hugo Carvajal, let him have a three-year transition, blah, blah, blah,” knowing that Trump is gonna get impeached.
Alex Jones: So people ask why I’m for regime change. It’s on record. The CIA, you first said it, now it’s been admitted, does not want Trump to do this. Then, I get worried about them setting us up. And I know you say the military has its own intelligence, but it’s all infested with them.
Patrick Byrne: CIA – I can’t go too far but I can tell you – I shouldn’t go any farther. But there were attempts to set us up that were exposed. The CIA…wanted, if [Maduro] has to leave, “Let’s have his Number Two.” They had military intelligence. By the way, this whole election program is all buried within military intelligence in Venezuela because it’s a weapon.
Well, so, I mean, they’re doing anything but to let it go to Maria Carina Machado. Meanwhile, the former head of military intelligence, SEBIN, is a guy named Hugo Carvajal. He was arrested in Spain two years ago. He’s been sitting in prison in New York, and the CIA has been blocking access to him on the grounds that “he doesn’t have any useful information”. The head of military intelligence of Venezuela for a dozen years doesn’t have [useful information?]. He’s on some drug-running charge from 2011. And we were trying to get the intelligence – I’m only saying this because Gary went public about it all – They were gonna sentence him to life without him ever getting interviewed for any of his intelligence value.
We have so many examples of incredible – we have brought, now and serviced all kinds of people to the government, 14 –
Alex Jones: And like you said, he’s playing the main companies. There’s two main ones, those other sub ones that aren’t just stealing elections here, but all over the world. The China Connection and Smartmatic executive indicted for election theft, money-laundering in the Philippines. Explain how big this is.
Alex Jones: Yeah, this is 72 nations. One of the most dramatic moments in the last five years for me was when I was over with Flynn and I had General Flynn come over to – we really kept him legally pure. We did not wanna get him implicated.
So we kind of, I left, I would brief him of what I was doing two or three months after I did it. But once we had sort of completed and last summer, year and a half ago, we had all these Venezuelan whistleblowers on ice and protected. He came over to Switzerland and met them.
And he’s a technical guy. He’s got two master’s degrees in telecommunications. And of course, he’s the greatest intelligence leader of his generation.
And he interviewed them for about 90 minutes. Beforehand, I said, “General, please don’t get upset at them. You’re gonna get really mad.” And he’s like, “Oh, of course not, of course not.” I said, “Well, you haven’t heard what you’re gonna say.”
He went in and interviewed them and he was cool as a cucumber until the last minute as we were about to leave, I said, tell the General to the lead engineer how much this has gone on. And the guy kind of gulped and looked at General Flynn and said, “General, we’ve been manipulating elections in 72 nations over” – or, “Venezuela has been manipulating elections in 72 nations across for 20 years.” And just for an instant, I saw General Flynn look so sad.
Alex Jones: Let me ask you this. How did you – and this is partially classified, this is all true – how did you induce them? Or do they realize the arc of history – why are so many people switching over to our side right now?
Patrick Byrne: I asked them, I asked them. They said, like literally, they would say things like, “Oh, we see,” this is two years ago…So 2023, when we’re still in the COVID craziness and totalitarianism and all this. And one of them said, “We see that what’s happening in the world. This is the end of the world. There’s maybe one country that can stop it. And that’s the United States.”
Alex Jones: Exactly. That’s what did it; was COVID lockdowns. The Globalists saying, “Permanent lockdowns for carbon taxes, austerity, the end of the world as we know it, depopulation.” And that made so many people say across the board say, “We’re not part of this.”
It’s just like, “Join prosperity, join freedom. We’re not perfect, but God, we’re not trying to, we’re not trying to be James Bond villains.” It’s just exactly.
Patrick Byrne: And for these Venezuelans, they’ve seen what the communists did to Venezuela for 25 years. They see how evil it is.
Alex Jones: What’s the timeline? I mean, you’re the expert. The richest country in our hemisphere and then destroyed overnight. I mean, people don’t understand how rich they were.
Patrick Byrne: Oh yeah, they were the richest country in Latin America. They had a good middle class. They were developing. Of course there’s poor, but as China learned, you have to let some people get rich, but it wasn’t just rich and poor. They had a great middle class. They were doing better than any country. Hugo Chávez came in in 1999. And once he seized the oil industry and pumped, he probably has stolen maybe as much as $4 trillion – the mafia – but at least $1.7 trillion. They didn’t care about the people.
I was in Venezuela in 2018. The government had told the people, “The military and police are just to protect government installations. Everyone else is on their own.” So, it was kind of a Walking Dead scenario, but where the Rick Grimes of the world – Rick Grimes is the hero of Walking Dead – they would literally walk around with jerrycans of gasoline. And the only way to keep order among the citizens was, if you were in a crowd and somebody pulled out a gun and tried to rob the other people, if they could get them, would take them and throw them down and make them a human torch. And there were eight or 10 of those a day around Caracas while I was there. And that’s the only order. I mean, it was crazy. The average person lost 20 pounds.
Alex Jones: Oh, I’ve talked to it. I’ve talked to Venezuelans who are a lot of good business people I know. They say, “You don’t understand. We went from being wealthy and happy overnight to eating our dogs and cats,” and just total Hell on Earth.
Patrick Byrne: There was cannibalism in the countryside. And literally, when I left, I was visiting the Comptroller of the Currency. And literally when I left – and that guy’s in jail now too, by the way – big, 6’10” guy, he said, “Oh, señor, it is much too dangerous for you to come here with just these six off-duty policemen. Next time you come, we will have a platoon of soldiers meet your plane when you land. And you will come in, we will take you to a special hotel. It’s on a military base, totally safe, plenty of good food, booze, all the 13, 14 year old girls and boys you want. We’ll spend a few days there together. We’ll talk business. We’ll plan it out.”
I was like, “Yeah, yeah, Uncle Carlo, I’ll be back. Good idea, I’ll be back soon.” Now, needless to say, I didn’t come back, but just the way that they spoke, imagine a country after a mafia – and not even a Don Corleone mafia, but like a Barzani kind of mafia – had run the place for 25 years.
Alex Jones: “I believe this drug business will be the end of us.” So let me ask you this. What’s the timeline? I know you’re just on your own, but what’s the timeline with Trump having this meeting today, all this?
Patrick Byrne: I’m on my own, so I’m not speaking for, but I’m in touch with a lot of the people who are on the inside. And yeah, I’m a little surprised it didn’t happen Sunday night.
Alex Jones: No, obviously, I’m giving you an out, that you’re not giving classified info. Just your opinion here about –
Patrick Byrne: Nothing classified. I would have thought it would have been happened but I thought that Trump didn’t want people talking about it on Thanksgiving weekend, but he’s got to do it.
They have to leave or they get [killed], and you know, it’s kind of sad that the nasty guy who spent five years at it kind of wants Maduro to stay, just because I wanna see the top thousand people in the Cartel smoked, but that’s vindictive. We don’t wanna kill –
Alex Jones: No, that’ll help the country, if we don’t do that. We should let him, like Napoleon leave.
Patrick Byrne: He’s the problem –
Alex Jones: By the way- What about the paradox? Because Trump says, Maduro’s already said publicly he wants to flee. Trump has said no. So what’s happening there? We want him to leave, but Trump’s saying no.
Patrick Byrne: His real problem is the Cartel will kill him if he flees. They’re saying, “No way do you flee and leave us to handle this mess, and we’re all gonna get hung.” They’re gonna kill him if he flees. Remember, the Soviets sent, or the Russian sent 5,000 MANPATS –
Alex Jones: So why is Trump saying, he’s publicly saying, the Colombian president even said a week after, “No, he’s ready to leave.” What’s the countries they’re talking about? I’ve seen a few. OK, great, but why doesn’t Maduro just leave? Why is Trump saying “No, don’t leave”?
Patrick Byrne: At one point, Iran, Russia, and China all turned him down. They said, “We can’t take the heat. We don’t want you here.” And Turkey, there was a place in Northern Turkey that was agreed to, I thought, that he could go with his cronies and his mafiosis, and they could live out their days, and no one’s gonna kill him. They can live out their days and never be charged in Northern Turkey. That seems to have fallen apart. Trump’s not gonna let him leave. But I’m also hearing, I mean, my special visitors are still in communication with all kinds of people in government in Venezuela. And what we’re hearing is he’s being told he’s gonna get killed if he leaves. His own people will shoot him down. They won’t let him leave.
Alex Jones: Yeah, so let’s explain this. The CIA wants to leave the commies in charge and just have Maduro go as a Pyrrhic victory. Trump says, “No, we’re gonna finish this,” and is going to war. And I agree. I thought they would hit after Thanksgiving. Why do you think Trump’s holding back?
Patrick Byrne: It may have been there was some last-minute hope that Maduro was saying he would leave, but I think you get to play that game once, that stutter step, and get Trump to break a deadline. I don’t know if he had a hard deadline or not. It looks to me like there was a stutter step that threw Trump off and got him to delay a little bit. I don’t think you get to do that twice.
I think that we’re gonna find out what looks to me, sounds to me like in one hour, we’re gonna, I’m so happy to hear we’re gonna see Trump take the wheel from the Oval Office. This is long delayed, in my mind.
Alex Jones: Well, it’s such a big announcement. It’s nebulous. They say he’s having a meeting, but those Oval Offices are usually public. So I want to be clear. I think that’s what he’s gonna do. But just to the people out there, we have a military for a reason, and I’ve been against all these wars, because they weren’t in our interest. This one is clearly in our hemisphere. Just like we went into Panama, we had guests on, Michael Young and others, months before it happened, that China had taken over. We built that. That’s our strategic deal.
Panama rolled over to us. We haven’t fully gotten control yet, but we’re trying. As Hegseth said, “We’re pushing him out.” But, I mean, this is what it’s all about, OK? These are not Neocon wars. This is not a Neocon war, is it, Patrick Byrne?
Patrick Byrne: I could go on all day about the strategic reasons to do this, because this is the cancer in Latin America. We do this, Cuba falls. It turns out that every Leftist and even centrist leader you’ve heard of, Alex, in Latin America is on the payroll. The Kirchners from Argentina, $700 million. They got from the Chavistas. They’re all bribed. So the strategic consequences are enormous. And maybe you want to do that just for those reasons.
But the real reason we want to do it is these guys conducted an assault on the United States that was beyond an assault. It was a conquest and they won. They won. And America can’t let that slide, because we have some oil fields.
Alex Jones: He can do five more minutes with us.
Patrick Byrne: We don’t let that slide because they give us some oil fields. You don’t get the back out of that. We have to make a lesson. So for the next 250 years, any country understands conducting this kind of an operation against the United States has consequences. When you go to kill the king, you got to kill the king. They missed. This has to have the consequences that ring for 250 years if people understand there are costs when you mess with the United States.
Alex Jones: And I agree with you that it’s about stopping the election fraud, the drugs.
Patrick Byrne: All these guys want Trump to get out of this by taking some rights to an oil field or some lithium field. All his billionaire friends are trying to get some deal like that. Crazy to think that you can do this to the United States and buy a way out like that.
Alex Jones: Stay there, do five more minutes. Let’s explain this. And I’m going to call it if you leave. It’s simple: The CIA, Wall Street, the Globalists are against regime change. So people ask, why I’m for it because of that. It’s very simple.
Patrick Byrne: That’s a good way [to put it]. That’ll get you to the right answer just as quick.
Alex Jones: Yeah, the bad guys don’t want this. The deep state doesn’t want it because most of them are on the payroll of the richest oil country in the world, per square mile.
Patrick Byrne: And Chevron, they’re all in each other’s underwear!
Alex Jones: Of course! Back in two minutes. Stay right there, Patrick Byrne.
Alright, you know, I gave the unintellectual answer, there. And obviously, Patrick can talk for hours about why regime change is the right thing. I’m just saying for the general public, the CIA, the Globalists, the Left, the media, they don’t want regime change down there.
I’m worried about CIA set-ups. I’m worried about a Bay of Pigs 2.0. I’m worried about a new Vietnam potentially, even though it’s a different constellation of people and the general public wants liberation.
I just don’t know if Trump has the people, I trust the military, but not the rest of the bureaucrats, to not put something just as bad in. But that’s what they wanted. “Just get Maduro out. He’s happy to leave, but leave his people there.”
So in closing, in the four minutes we have left, Patrick Byrne, smartest confidante [?] I know. If you were advising Trump on what he should do and what the pitfalls are – if you were President, let’s do it this way, four minutes – if you were President Trump, what would you do?
Patrick Byrne: Well, he has to, this offense to the United States cannot slide. They can’t get out of it by giving some oil concession or something, gold concession to his family or to the company, anything. That’s crazy. When he does this, first of all, the people are overwhelmingly, I mean, so again, they’ve lived for 25 years under socialism. I lived under socialism for a year and a half under Communist China. And when I think of it, my blood pressure goes up 60 points. You have no idea what it’s like to live under people like this.
The daily humiliation and grind is like nothing. You Americans, if you could even conceive of it, you would have been much more active the last four years – well, you were, Alex, of course, but Americans, in general.
So he has to change the regime. It can be done with internal elements and with a minimum of external force. But the answer is, the fix thing is it has to be done. And then let’s just use the minimum amount of force that we can to do it. And that’s a bunch of missile strikes, bombs, and black helicopter guys.
The population is overwhelmingly on our side. The US has an obligation, under the law. We can’t conduct war without having a plan to put in place to feed everybody and medical care, keep everybody alive for the whole population. They do have such a plan. We’re not gonna let this country starve. There’s a plan. It’s not that far from us. It’s a lot easier than these other wars we’ve been fighting my whole lifetime.
It’s right, you know, a few hundred miles off Florida – off Puerto Rico. So we can take care of Venezuela. It doesn’t have to be a long bloody war. And what should happen afterwards?
Before I did all this other stuff, I was quite well known in the field of blockchain and crypto. There are now advancements. We could have –
Alex Jones: We could turn into the new El Salvador, with a Bukele.
Patrick Byrne: We could leapfrog so much, so much.
Alex Jones: With oil, oh my God!
Patrick Byrne: All the wealth that’s there, the wealth of the Cartel, it can all be turned into central bank money. They can rebuild clinics, roads so quickly. All the wealth that’s needed to rebuild. Believe me, the Cartel has –
Alex Jones: That’s right, we don’t need a Marshall Plan like World War II…they already have it.
Patrick Byrne: They’re sitting on mountains, mountains of cash, of money, of gold from the Cartel. They didn’t turn out, they didn’t wash it all. They got mountains of it there. We can rebuild that country so quickly. We’re not doing this because we’re trying to seize oil. We can rebuild that country and we can leapfrog –
Alex Jones: Let’s be clear, I love how Maduro knew he was checkmated, so he offered it all to Trump and he said, “No, it goes to the people.”
Patrick Byrne: What Maduro should do is say, “Trump, I’ll give you all the testimony you need. I’ll tell you everything about Biden.” He’s doing this, by the way. I’ve seen this leak, so I’ll say it.
Alex Jones: No, remember, six months ago, he admitted, “Biden said, send your criminals here.”
Patrick Byrne: He said, “They met with us. The FBI came to Panama and met with us. I’ll give you all the records. We met with them. They said, send your prisoners.” So they did it.
So anyway, this reminds me of in India, when I was a student, people used to calculate how much copper is it gonna take to wire up a telephone in every place in India? Well, guess what? And it’s gonna take how many decades? Well, guess what? So cellular comes along, they skip that, they leapfrog. And sometimes, countries that leapfrog get ahead of even the most modern countries.
Venezuela can be turned into a Singapore over 10 years, with the most modern – I know the most leading figures in the world of blockchain and digital governance. We can do things so clean and eliminate corruption and share wealth. I think Milton Friedman, a plan he had for Iraq should be put in place where all the money that comes into government for oil and mineral concessions, you take half of it and it goes right to the people every month into biometric accounts. Just like in Alaska.
Alex Jones: Patrick Byrnes, @Patrick Byrnes on X. Thank you so much. Incredible. Thank you, sir.