Tom Luongo Exposes What’s Really Going on with TRUMP & Maduro

by Tom Luongo

Maduro was never the target. The US finally created conditions on the ground and at sea for Venezuela to free Maduro from the crime lords who he was the figurehead for.

This is not to paint him as a good man or bad. He was a guy in front to take the heat. The puppet, the scapegoat.

Trump, @secwar, etc. decided the best move is to take out the real criminals, stop the ‘fake regime change’ operation of Maria Machado on behalf of Davos and London, and free Venezuela from these pricks.

Maduro wouldn’t roll over if he didn’t think Trump had the upper hand. This is what is fundamentally wrong with most anti-war commentators in 2025-6, they do not understand that war is the default position of the world today, it’s just not national armies moving across arbitrary political borders.

No the wars are waged by non-state actors hiding under the skirts of “State Leaders” and the minute someone finally reveals that state of affairs, the feckless anti-war leftists scream “Empire!” (like @caitoz and many others who I would like to still call friends) because they would lose their worker’s revolution and their relevance.

And the anti-war right revealed themselves to be bed-wetting apologists for their own pathetic passivity.

A pox on both their houses.

Good on Trump. Fix this mess. Stop the drugs, the money laundering, the price fixing (gold, silver, oil), the child trafficking and everything else Venezuela represents. Kill the decades old Langley and GCHQ funding operations aimed at creating global chaos, displacing and/or enslaving hundreds of millions if not billions of people, to pluck the highest quality grifters among them as invasion armies to our homes.

And then call us fucking ‘racists’ for not wanting to pay for it all.

If supporting this type of “gunboat diplomacy” makes me a fascist or an authoritarian to these anti-war types, then I’m ironing my Hugo Boss styled suit (replete with tailored pants!) and trimming my mustache.

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ROUGH TRANSCRIPT

It's saturday the 3rd of january 2010 uk time and Some hours earlier the u.s Went into caracas bombed caracas and left with maduro and his wife What is going on tom? Hi rich, um, so everybody understands that i'm on the road and I don't use a phone holder So i'm not that narcissistic that everybody needs to look at my freaking onion bug Uh while I drive so we're doing the thing today from uh on the road on some undisclosed location on i-75 And america. Yeah. No, what was going on is exactly the end game of everything we talked about I think em burlingame, uh halsey and I were on with tommy kerrigan yesterday was really interesting Like literally we were talking about all this yesterday and then 12 hours later.

Trump's like yeah, we're we're capturing the flag It's that's it's over, you know Um, that's really what it comes down to is like look this whole venezuelan operation like so many of the things that We've been talking about Um, and so many angles on and everybody has an angle on on i'm done as well The truth is I think everybody's angle is partially correct and then it's all of those things all wrapped up in the one So what am I talking about? I'm talking about. Um chinese offtake of of sludgy heavy sour venezuelan oil That they were probably using this is the one you haven't heard yet. I was talking with dexter white about this this morning.

Um, About taking that and building a strategic petroleum war reserve for ship fuel That's pretty much all that oil is actually good for it's good for number six bunker fuel number five fuel oil, you know It's good for that. Um, you can't really refine it to gasoline. There's no light ends in it so You know if you think of it if you think of venezuela that way and then you add in This the some of my speculation about well Maybe they're also shipping silver and gold concentrates or copper concentrates or whatever in other parts of the the ship So like this is a big deal Venezuela is the crossroads of like five or six different stories in the western hemisphere and we just decapitated all of them okay, let's run through what the others might be because this stuff about elections the the dominion machines how they came out of venezuela and was used by the democrats to rig the 2020 elections and who knows how many other elections and By doing this is cleaning up the u.s Is america the america's electoral system, but also the electoral system in other nations as well that have relied upon dominion machines I agree then the the drug the drugs the human trafficking the illegal immigrants And all the money flows that come from that that flow through the city of london And flow into the middle east And flow to the middle east right for for iran for hezbollah Right.

Okay So let's let me unpack that one real quick because halsey english did a really good job of bringing this idea up yesterday that the The the thing for that venezuela was doing was like it's like money flow east and west Cash that are necessary to get into the hands of Hamas the irgc and whatnot because they need cash to do their operations. Well, if they don't have cash anymore Then look at what's happening in iran at the same time that this is happening Like now we're talking about a country also starved of money. They need cash They can't get it.

Like it's a really important Side of this story that you're now defanging what's left of the uh axis of resistance as the amp would put it the devil's legions the praetorians in In that area of the world as well as well as um, you know cutting off Uh flows into cuba And so I was talking to somebody else this morning and they were we were chatting with uh chatting with him He's got you know people that Are people on the ground in cuba got friends and family have people on the ground in cuba. Cuba's imploding The electricity is barely functioning on a regular basis There's you know, there's disease is now rampant and a variety of other things like that Nobody's talking about because they can't get access to medical, you know They can't get access to things anymore. The us is going to make it worse in order to make it better So I would expect at this point cuba for example could easily collapse in the next 60 to 90 days Uh, I know the dm palsy and I speculated yesterday about what was going on in iran As to who's backing that and there's any number of arguments as to what could go there, but I don't want to we'll get into that in a minute, but um, the the drug trade yes, the uh, the gold and silver trade Um the precious metals and an industrial metals trade coming out of The central south america and then exiting towards you know The swiss refiners and up in the city of london to deal to support that trade The I think the show that you did with em last night about silver Uh was incredibly illuminating and I think everybody should watch that one as well.

Um, yeah, all of this is like tied up in uh in venezuela, it really is and uh Now maduro is yeah Okay Okay, uh, let me push back Let me push back a little bit tom and you know that I had the utmost respect for your perspective Don't always agree, but i'm always willing to listen and consider and i've learned a lot from you, right? And and I know i've been affected by this because I've had my cousin saying listen, listen, come on Come on, he's just like the rest right and it looks like that because bush did this with noriega They indicted noriega and then went in and arrested him and took him back and convicted him and now you know, uh Maduro was indicted in march 2020 in trump's first term So they've now gone in they have kidnapped the sovereign leader of another country That's an act of war well again, um Trump is basically saying look we have an indictment against this guy It's legal under our system and if they want and if venezuela wants to go to war with us they're welcome to um, this is no different than what putin did if you in ukraine at the end of the day like this is a Um, this is an act of war Um, but it's been an act of war But there's been acts of war going on all over the world what I said yesterday morning on twitter I think is the most salient argument here about to push back on that which is that all these people clutching their pearls about the definition of war I even pushed back on dexter white at the outset of the Russia ukraine conflict by saying look that's been a war for years. It's the only difference isn't that you know, we're It's now we have we get the call it a war when a state army moves across an arbitrary political border What about the people on the ground like the real real argument here is that non-state actors don't respect the borders They in fact they use and and the people who back them use the legal frameworks the international frameworks to their advantage in order to You know protect themselves and hide under the skirts of the local national leaders This is my argument about maduro because I don't even consider him, you know, the bad guy here I consider him the puppet and scapegoat no, and the same way that i've been you know now beginning to at least consider people like i'd all harmony in iran and and others and You have to look at it that the war that war is the default position, but it's not state sanctioned Armies crossing political borders. It's non-state actors disregarding political borders and then having the Um, and then everybody clutching their pearls when a state actor finally says that's enough You guys can't like play this friggin game anymore that you're not actually at war with us we're actually This is that real weird moment where you can very easily make the argument that governments are moving armies in order to um to bring about peace and I you know, I know that the standard kind of anti-war libertarian perspective on this is that nothing government ever does is any good And i'm a big fan of saying and I have said many times like governments are good at doing two things Killing people and creating black markets, but at the same time there are moments when Things have gotten so lawless so out of control that that's when the only people who can act with any degree of you know But I don't know.

I'm not even sure what the you know Moral authority is you say that's enough you guys are killing 70 000 or 80 000 of our people every year with fentanyl We're doing this we're doing this we're trafficking children blah blah blah Like at the end of the day like somebody has to do something about this And this is where I I I have made my peace with even my own the remnants of my own libertarianism to say look um These people are aggressing me every day I pay 70 every dollar I make in freaking some form of tax and Some form of interest payment to some fucking foreign oligarch. Fuck them If you guys address me every day like as far as i'm concerned, they're all mass murderers They should be shot, but I can't say that and I can't feel that no I can feel it But I can't say it with any degree of like but that's what we're all feeling We all know it like you, you know you personally rich right you think about it What what have you what caused what's your video across the libra which is a phenomenal one Stop paying taxes to support war and do so legally and everything else. It's a brilliant thing.

It's a it's a beautiful piece of of of civic action of ungovernable civic action and sometimes It's not enough And sometimes you just need to go in and deal with the problem Because that foundation that that illegal foundation that exists Underneath and under the skirts of the national leader the figurehead is what your real target is and we have to be willing to um I don't have to say make our peace with it But once we understand it because we kind of all do you know viscerally understand it because we all interface with state local and federal No matter where we are Um governmental corruption and you know Organized crime and all the rest of it. It's endemic it's everywhere and at a certain point it's time to like Say enough is enough. And if trump wants to be the guy to go in and say, yeah, i'm the bad guy What are you gonna do about it? It's the same thing the putin's done.

So there that's that that would be my that would be my my counter Okay here and oh and one last no and one last point because it's very important bush versus noriega. That was the bush plan Protecting their own drug trade against noriega This is finally This is a big shot across the bow to the bush plan who were who are very very much involved in the drug trade in venezuela as it As it is trafficked into florida. There are some very very very Angry on one side and happy people on the other in florida today because of this action The venezuelans the patients the the cubans the colombians they're all cheering this on Because they know what this means and the bushes were screaming.

Okay, now, let me make a few points first off Thank you for uh, referring to notaxforwar.com first That's for people in the uk legally lawfully peacefully Withhold taxes As a protest against war then one of the things that i've wondered about and i'm going to say this carefully because you know Which country I reside in? one of the things i've been thinking about is what if Trump were to have done this with the nominal figurehead of the cover of the government here. Would I be upset? Yeah Something to think about then Then to make sure that i've understood your argument, right what you're saying Hold on Hold on The one thing is if he did so rich it would be to extract you and alex mercurius and a few other people to out of out of occupied territory and bring it back across the across the uh, across the dmt so Okay, well, I don't think i'd be too upset with that, right? Okay, but trying to i've been trying i've been trying to convince you of this for years my friend so Yes, yes. Yes.

Anyway moving on moving on moving on what you're saying is we're in a world now Where and maybe it's always been the case that it isn't just states that wage war but there are no state actors So I could For an example, I could say george soros's open society is waging war against western nations Yes, the european union uk australia new zealand with its open borders by using mass migration as a weapon against as a weapon of war against Those territories but also by depriving those nations that they came from of the most productive sectors of society I agree. No, that's one And then we have this somali angle in in in Minnesota where they bring over the most adept grifters To try and figure out how much money they can steal and launder off to the democrats so they can Hand it off to george soros to do to keep doing the exact same thing all across the united states and the rest of the World and american taxpayers should be unbelievably outraged by but go ahead Yeah, and also send some of that money back to mogadishu which is growing like crazy Despite the fact that it is a broken state in so many ways Yep. Okay.

So so then and then people like myself Are stuck in this paradigm where War is between states and that we oppose war between states and it doesn't allow us to recognize non-state actors Like maduro like the drug cartels and we forgot to mention on the list the the cia and the intelligence community That are very important that are heavily involved In the drug trade in and the human trafficking in south south america And also the city of the city of london that profits from it all must mention that as well And just so you know tom i'm going to have these on a list when people see this video, right? As well as well as a picture of you tom so they so they remember who you are and they don't forget right now So then I need to upgrade My perspective on the world to take into account these changes Now that makes sense to me and I was actually thinking about that because there was a certain medical intervention We've got to be careful about the youtube sensors. There was a certain medical intervention and many many people Thought that it was the same as the sort of regular vaccines that are available And I didn't have that medical intervention as you know, but you may not know about two three years ago I had yellow fever vaccine because I had I was going to sierra leone and I had to have that And I well the two are not the same the yellow fever vaccine and that And that new medical intervention that's really really different and people got to upgrade Their the paradigm with which they regard those sorts of medical interventions I agree. So and and then also I suppose there's the uh, The way that I as traditional british lefty from regard american presidents That I you know, I grew up with Reagan and clinton and the bushes and obama and then biden god forbid.

Oh my god How I regard them that somehow Trump isn't of the same mold even though it might look like it In some respects if I put on those same spectacles Am I am I is that the argument that you're making? It is in many ways like the rules really have changed under trump trump is not the same thing And I think he has every I think he has Every and this is the the hard part maybe for a lot of people look look I get everybody's apathy and I get everybody's cynicism I used to be one of those people i'm not gonna argue like it took me like the entire 2016 Campaign cycle to finally agree to go on election day and pull the lever for donald trump I mean, I hadn't made the decision until like I don't know sunday night. I remember the election Yeah, I was absolutely refused and refused and because I was like, hey, you know, like don't vote it, you know I encouraged them and so um Yeah, I don't I don't yeah, I don't vote because I don't like i'm encouraged them. Um, but it became very obvious That you know trump's heart is in the right place It's you know what he didn't know in 2016 2017 was how washington actually worked And i've said this before and i'll remind everybody that you know There was a point very early on in trump's first term where he said I think things were bad up here But god, they're 10 times worse than I thought or something like that.

They're no they're much much worse than I thought And that meant that in many ways the trump administration the first trump administration was doomed before it even began right um But what he did get done was to help expose a lot of you know, the the rock Now what we've done together And we've all done over the last eight or nine years is to realize wow. Okay, hold on What we the world we always thought we knew And the way it was presented to us by the establishment media and you know, even some aspects of the alternative media who were just as you know, frankly, they're just as Extensions of the mainstream media as and the deeper we go into this the closer we get to the event horizon Of actually flipping this truly flipping the script on this um, we get to find out that there are even more of them are you know, just extensions of the the mainstream media that Now we have to flip our entire model and conception of how the world operates on his head and once you do that Then you can see how and why trump is different Okay, it's and it comes down to that idea that And it's the stuff that that susan kukenda and barbara boyd talk about it for me. It's the inaction.

It's um, the historical perspective that a guy like matt eric brings and It's a and as well as alex greater brings much more so than I do and then there's the high level strategic You know stuff that myself ian birlingame and others do like when you put all that together you begin to get This worldview and this model that becomes far more predictive, right? than the one that we've we we were food fed and you know, we've we've been operating under in the past and You know and in some ways we've all came a lot of us came through Uh the anti-war movement either from the left or from the right. My case was from the right. Um, and uh But The the problem with all of this and i've said this i've also said this before is that You have to believe in something.

You can't just be against the the thing that exists. You can't just be anti American imperialism because the u.s is the current dominant empire. You don't have to be against imperial imperialism Like part too many prop too many things that many of the problems that i've watched Happen over the course of the 10 years that like almost nine years that you and I have been doing almost 10 years That you and i've known each other right is watching people who Share a lot of your worldview, but then when it gets down to a particular thing That's when you find their and i'm going to and i can tell you what the specific thing is in a second It's is when you find they refuse to go with you on that.

You're like But that's a nonsensical that's a nonsensical position that's cognitive dissonance and in this case it's It's a american imperialism, right? So we so we watch so many people now You know who just hate american imperialism, but they're okay with bricks imperialism. They're okay with European imperialism they're okay with other forms of imperialism being russia or china or whatever or whatever and like no Imperialism as a thing is empirically bad empirically bad and You know, this is where we have to be. Um Epistemologically consistent we have to be you know Uh, we have to know what we believe and then know how we're going to bring that into the world and it's like, you know, I I have to have a Uh, you know a partner who's you know Is very aristotelian like you have to have an ethos in order to have a telos, right? And I had to be taught this Beating it into my head a thousand times until I finally began to see it and this is where we are There's a lot of people out there who have ethoses that are Flawed and some of us don't even have an ethos because we don't know what the hell we're every acting against We just know we're angry because we're getting looted Right, and that's fine.

That's fair. I don't I don't that's not a criticism or judgment. That's an observation That's actually a statement of sympathy.

I get it Because I used to be one of those people and I spent most of my life now most my adult life trying to You know make sense of all this crap, but it's really quite simple folks. The british empire never ended They control the money flows and because they control the money flows They control the politics and the organized crime and everything else and that's what has to start and and that is what we're stripping away layer by layer by layer and When you can understand that The framework of that model then you can understand your then you can literally say, you know I never really thought donald trump had it in him. I never really said how many times you've heard me say I never thought trump understood this this thing at this level was problem at this level I never I never would have would have would have guessed he was that guy But guess what? It turns out that he's that guy.

Yeah, and and tom what you're saying at the end is really really important I'm, actually going to be recording a video in a few weeks time And then I worked it out with blaine retired general blaine holt Sending a demand for the u.s. Contingent to nato at one point and also Uh harley schlanger from lyndon larouche who's not He's got a real insight into the machinations of The u.s. Government. Yeah, I found out, uh that he actually ran for senate many many years ago No bringing bringing the head of the larouche organization And the former brigadier general at nato together for a podcast, you know, we're in a different freaking world, dude We are in we are not we are not in kansas anymore folks I'm going to come back to that in a second, right? Because i'm also going to blaine holt has also agreed to do one With the uh, peace campaigner chris coveredale who came up with no tax for war dot com process So, uh, i'm loving every second of this like this this podcast just gets better and better So, all right now What you said at the end points to something that i've been thinking about and it's not i'm not asking you to answer this But everybody's listening and watching just think about this Because i've been thinking about this and I don't have much in the way of an answer and maybe trump Is doing this maybe he's worked out the answer him and his team Supposing I was the president of the united states by some magical miracle And I want a world where the you know I want the united states to have the american system of political economy in place And I want it available for other nations that want it So I can trade with them as sovereign states and I want to end to the globalist rule and an end to the grip that the city of london has had on geopolitics since the 1700s And I want to make sure and I want peace between Israelis and palestinians and rwandans and congolese all over the world I want peace instead of the british shit stirring everywhere and I want to put it in such a way One that I survive to see this project through and it's going to happen in my term And two that it prevails so that when somebody comes after me, they can't undo it Because they killed jfk. They killed lincoln.

They killed mckinley. They Probably wanted to kill trump. They certainly didn't want him in power as evidenced by russia gay.

So how would I do this? how What would I need to do and when would I need to do this? And that's going to be the the inquiry that i'm going to have with blaine and uh harley So it's because and then and then it yeah, it deals with the sort of quick Solutions that people want I want I want a two-state solution now. I want peace now I want the elections cleared up now. I want arrest now No Because it ain't it's what are you three for that? What are you three? I know that that's my answer to those people is what are you four? like you know, um Sorry, but it is it's like i've said multiple times like, you know, I said I think I said it the other day I'm like, you know, the unquenchable envy of marxism is you know, they they they hate what you have because Simply because you have it It's like a two-year-old like you watch two-year-olds and mirror and their mirror neurons and all of that and You watch them with their older siblings and i'm getting to watch this now because my you know Where we are in tennessee.

We're very next to a young family with four children and i'm watching the kids, you know, and He could have absolutely zero interest in the thing until his brother picks it up the minute his brother picks it up He wants it. Yeah Why because his brother has it And the minute he gets it when his brother gives it to him He doesn't give a shit about it anymore. He drops it on the ground and moves on to the next thing that he wants marxism is literally the political ideology of two-year-olds and That's why the envy is unquenchable because at the center of their being there is nothing there There is no ethos there.

There is no they're there. I hate the quote gertrude stein, but But jesus christ she was right about that there is no they're there now she was talking about oakland but you know, whatever um, so like um the point is that I You have to have a thing you believe in you can't just be against the thing that's out there or just Want the thing that someone else has you have to know what it is know who you are why you exist and what you know and then What you want grows out of that it's not just a thing that's out there in the in the world That's why I always recommend babylon 5 to people. It's like, you know The vorons and the shadows ask two different questions one asks.

Who are you and the other one asks? What do you want? And you know, whoever answers the question, what do you want? And then you can answer it definitively That's the person you can make into their agent and that's what they do to honda maury and that's what sets everything in motion and that's what that's literally the catalyst for the entire story and That we watch and it's a you know, it's a brilliant exposition of human psychology in that respect as well So like okay, we're in a we're we're a weird place here where we are uncovering a lot of our actual motivations our actual What we you know our perceptions of what it is. We think we want why we want them and and how that interfaces with how we um, how we Adjudicate and um Assess yes geopolitical events, okay Okay, going back to this geopolitical event then sure. Sure.

I listened to trump's uh conference Today, I probably didn't listen to it too carefully, but I didn't I didn't get a chance. So Sorry, I can't comment on it. Right, but he he did say that you know, we're gonna Take care of venezuela.

Um Until you know Somebody else is in store that we're happy with but that's a regime change operation. I mean when he said that I was thinking about Um what the americans did with mosaddegh replacing them with with the sharp Pavlovi, I thought about that and how the you you know, how these hegemons have Replaced other governments with their own puppets. So I thought this sounds like that And then he also says that the oil is going to be used For the united states or something we're gonna we're gonna have no he said american oil companies are going to go in Right, which is more of uh, I suppose like a good what the globalists have been doing sending in their companies to asset strip Right now somebody in your slack group just actually commented.

Um, reply to something I posted in there And and if trump said this I missed this i'm not saying that he didn't say this right? I must have missed it that he says that the oil is going to be used The profits are going to be a dividend for the venezuelan people. There you go. Well, I I don't know Maybe that would be great.

That would be really great. That would upend a lot of people Right, that would upend a lot of right. No, you're exactly right.

I think that's what he's going to do I don't think that I we don't need the profits from the oil trade and fossil venezuela Venezuela if you want to go back and answer your own question from earlier How do you do this in such a way that is durable Well, you build you you actually you actually take ven you actually help venezuelans um Deploy venezuelan assets to build venezuela So why wouldn't you if you're trump building venezuela into a state into a into a back into a society that is rich and prosperous means he doesn't have we never has to deal with the Uh, the collapsed state model that can be used as a uh petri dish and as a uh, base of operations for that non-state war that we're We were talking about earlier. Yeah, so And and so that's what we should be watching to see if it if it plays out now We all want to indulge in cynicism and you know And spew that cynicism all over twitter, you know, or the podcast based be my guest But I I caution everybody to do that at this point in time I really do i'm i'm telling everyone Don't don't don't make that your your reflex action. It may get you clicks in the short term but i'm telling you you were wrong about every fucking thing else in this in this thing by ab reacting like Has he done this in? um In in the middle east.

No, he's created a framework and a foundation Yeah, the united states is going to make some money off of Helping to rebuild the middle east but everybody else's as well because everybody else has got buy-in All the countries are buying into the the peace plan for gaza Everybody wants I don't everybody wants that to succeed israel's now free to cut um to cut weapons development deals and and investment deals and tech deals with all the members of with all their their their our You know neighbors and that's going to de-escalate, you know, and and and the And lower the paranoia on everybody's side Yeah, if everybody's doing work together You referenced boots on the ground earlier. Can you just sort of button this up? Do you envision the u.s military having a presence in venezuela as the u.s runs? Well, no, we're gonna have a presence in venezuela as it pertains to oil because we have to have we we're sending our expertise in Uh, so you may need something not very much But no, we're going to be taking out a tremendous amount of wealth out of the ground And that wealth is going to the people of venezuela and people from outside of venezuela that used to be in venezuela And it goes also to the united states of america in the form of reimbursement for the damages caused us by that country So I want to thank you all very much. Thank you.

Now if you were to do that I want to think that it would do it would strengthen venezuela If he weren't if he weren't to do that it would weaken the nation because there'd be conflict and then that would create A greater likelihood of displaced persons who would then want to travel north into to the united states Yeah, he's not solving anything at that point, right? It points to something susan kukinda said when you me and her recorded she said what trump wants and what he's setting up He wants venezuela to be strong and sovereign by itself Yes, because then that stops the mass migration Yes Yes And then and then once you do venezuela now you do colombia And now peru and now ecuador and now everybody else like and we're watching parts of of we've already watched parts of south america Central south america flip You know quote unquote hard right or you know populist, right? Well, guess what those are the places that you you encourage like that's why he brings bukele at el salvador you know, that's why we we watch these things happen and then you go and you fix other problems like um Solving venezuela on its own is going to help solve colombia All right, like again and so I and I I want to bring this back to you to This is also a means by which to clean up the graft and the corruption and the rogue status of american oligarchs and american Uh institutions like the bush family like the cia Right all of those things. They've they've been felt a massive blow here today So, you know just to look at it from the quote unquote regime change portion of this is regime change that's pointless and Incremental and kind of point sparring based thing that you know Halsey and and ian and I talked about yesterday atomic arrogance podcast this whole like point for point escalatory ladder, you know the kind of um It's it's the kind of of geopolitics everybody's used to well I scored a little bit of a point on you here so then I have to score a little bit of a point on you there and I turned I go here and then you go there and then you're not and there's it's this very and it's this very british mid-game sort of Thing where you just try and tie everybody up into these little freaking, you know Gordian knots that you can't unwind and trump just walks in with a big fucking fever with the with the nerd with the word Gordian slayer on it and starts whacking everybody whacking all these things over the head and then you know saying I dare you to like Prove me wrong like he's literally just calling everybody's bluff And going, okay. Are you gonna stand up to the uh to the to the u.s military here? You're really gonna you really think you can stop delta force here? I'm feeling prog you with that take that leak.

That's great. But you know, I got five people inside your palace Maduro who worked for me now and have worked for me because we flipped them we flipped them three months ago So this operation didn't happen last night this operation has been building probably all through 2025 on the down low while trump's out there bloating anything about tariffs or You know making fun of marjorie taylor drama queen or doing whatever what he does, which is draw the fire be the big distraction Let everybody know where things are going and then and then very strategically and i'll be honest with you I had a conversation this morning with dexter white I've been talking to him about trump for 10 years going on a decade now This will be the this was literally a decade because we first had our first conversations about trump Very early in the campaign during the primary season about trump And I was shocked to hear him finally say I guess I was wrong. Trump's got a bigger head for this stuff than I thought he did I really did not think he had it, you know, and and he and I have been talking Like I said, we've talked about this many times.

We've had many intense conversations about it He and I will probably do a podcast about this on my channel at some point in the near future um, because this is a big moment and It's it's great to see You know Somebody isn't it great on everybody this way. Isn't it great to see somebody exceed your expectations? Yes Yes, isn't it? Doesn't that feel good? It's not like it's not like the the best new year's present you could ever ask for and they'll you know You don't really give presents on new year's but hey trump just gave us one yes, and You know, that's the way that's why you have to look at it. We're just on that i'm gonna uh Share something from my work Sure, uh as a fractal of what trump is doing perhaps Sure so I worked with this, uh this mom and Separate from the dad four kids And it it looked like to many many people That the dad was the perpetrator of domestic abuse that he was coercive and controlling And then I went in And then i'm looking at it fresh And I very quickly established by digging in digging in digging going beyond the surface That who was actually exercising coercive control in an incredibly Devious Manipulative difficult to see manner was the mother And actually I would say, you know in 14 years social work.

This was the most devious Abuser i've ever come across Wow, and I and it was such that whenever I had to go and visit the home I had to have another social worker with me not because she was violent No But she was smart and she would use whatever she could Mm to undermine A single social worker so I had to have a witness with me Right, and and I and I and the previous social workers that have worked with this family Were all women and I come in as a male social worker different energy Different way of operating and I disrupt things and I shake things up And I did some really really great quality social work because the children were so damaged so, um Stunted in their development by what this mother had done to them and to the husband And and actually what happened tom is it became too dangerous for me to continue working with her Wow, my manager pulled me off and replaced her replaced me with herself. It was just too dangerous for me professionally Nice and and and i'm using that as a fact Um For what trump is doing for what jfk tried to do for what lincoln and um, mckinley tried to do Mm-hmm And trump knows about these guys these presidents reporting that the city of london destroyed this incredibly devious manipulative mechanism For enriching themselves at the expense of everybody else on this planet. How on earth do you defeat that enemy? And still prevail Uh, you know where their pain points are and that that and that was what came out of that That conversation I had with dexter this morning about about trump.

He said he said the one thing that he has and he's always Acknowledged is that trump has a preternatural ability Uh, it's deep in his like this is instinctual for him of knowing where everybody's pain point is he's incredibly good at it And it could be you know It's his it's a manifestation of his childhood ptsd With his dad who's apparently a tyrant and yeah, we consider into a psychological evaluation on donald trump or whatever That's not important. What's important here is that trump became? What he is and then mastered that and turned it to his advantage Yep, and I've heard it said by people who've met him that he's really really good at sizing people up. Yeah Yeah, he is and you know, I I I I I hesitate or Uh, what do you call? Um quake at the idea of actually meeting trump for that reason He's really Obviously, that's what that's part of his part of his charm about finding figuring out how Finding out where everybody's pain point is everything else But you know, my dad was one of these guys too.

My dad was uh was incredibly good at sniffing out people's motivations Uh unbelievably good at he's a good cop and you know, he survived 24 years on the streets of new york city um, okay because of him, so I learned I I've learned I've learned it's called, you know, part of this is like is like hyper vigilance, right? You know, yeah from us like from that perspective you got to realize that at some point. I remember um having a conversation recently the again with both camille and and Of kind of a long-form conversation behind the scenes between my my wife and camille and I and and dexter and other people and I And we finally just came to the my committance looked at which is that tom you've taken hyper vigilance And you've turned it into a superpower it's why you're so good at being able to figure out what and instinctually know when these people are are when it's off and You're it's it's part of your part of your your oeuvre as it were It's a that's a that's a term that Never every time I say it I can't help but like smirk because it's just a like ridiculous french word But whatever so I can't say it without sarcasm in my professional opinion as someone who's been assessing you for these past nine ten years You do have this preternatural ability to read the ruins at a macro level And what I often say to people, you know, because I I don't present your arguments as well as you do right So listen I've learned to listen to at the very least listen to tom because often what he says Usually I found it works out that way because you can see things and how it's being played on the macro Level in a way that I can't now How then does russia and china play into this and how does this play into this great into the creation of arc? Or is it that they've done some sort of agreement that okay this part of the americas is mine Or they're all going to be able to destroy the city of london or both well, they are but in different and different ways remember part of my my argument about Um about arc now arc. I do not consider to be any kind of alliance here.

Let's not get let's not get crazy Okay, right. What arc is is an understanding that america russia China are the three areas of the world that should be counterbalancing each other with vague hostility Okay Vague not kinetic hostility. Okay, but with wariness and hostility and you know cooperation where possible right, this is Say they're all sovereign.

They all have their own interests and they respect those interests And of course, they're going to push these other boundaries and they're going to try and figure things out from you know from there now with that being said China was making a lot of moves in central and south america um to secure to commodity supply chains or Excuse my excuse me oil copper silver, you know all of that stuff, right? um As well as put their people in use it as a means by which use that as well as a base of operations to move Chinese agents into the united states along the same vectors that the cartels were moving in that soros was moving People across the texas border blah blah blah blah blah. It's all you got to think that that's all the same thing, right? um What trump is saying here is that what the riches of north america are for north america with america with the united states as the People that are the guarantors of that and where they where the leading power y'all get the hell out and the vestiges of the soviets playing the Having to play the british game of the cold war you make this move here. So I make this move there You make that move here.

Well, i'm gonna make that move there This cap this move counter move and then eventually tying the board up in this, you know Gordian knot of the british mid game if you're using, uh, the chess parlance, right? um That's all going away And there's a lot of pieces on that table Where you know, there's a lot of like there's a lot of cleanup to do on that table. So russia's influence in cuba, for example um China's, you know Uh controlling the panama canal blah blah blah these all these things have to be unwound They're not going to take they're not going to happen today. They're not going to happen tomorrow We're going to have days like today where big things happen But for nothing's going to happen for months on end and then you know a big thing happens, right? Um Meaning china go back to asia where you belong get out of our you know, get the hell out of our galaxy to um, Um quote john sheridan again from babylon 5 Um, same thing with city of london same thing with the french same thing with the portuguese bye go away No, you don't you have no you have no power here anymore You know the old powers don't matter Um, and we're not beholden to you anymore and we don't consider ourselves your children anymore Um, we can stand on our own two feet.

Thank you very much Same thing for so that you look at it that way, but at the same time We have common interests and again going back to the argument about You know, let's get rid of london's influence and letting every and letting london Kind of tell everybody well, you know, we're gonna get rid of trump and then you're gonna have to deal with us resurgent So it's really us versus you and them and then they get to play everybody against each other and do the triangulation game And this is trump doesn't play the triangulation game No every time somebody tries to play the triangulation game, so does that make him a narcissist? No, it doesn't and it absolutely doesn't make him a narcissist because that's all narcissists do is play the triangulation game He's actually an anti-narcissist at that point. He may be vain Right. Okay.

He may be orange Okay, but that doesn't make him a narcissist like Those those are different things being vain is one thing Being shallow is one thing and being cheesy and having poor taste having, you know poor, you know, pretty gold leaf on everything Not necessarily, you know good taste, but that doesn't make him a narcissist Just a very important part and as a president as a leader He's a maverick And the mistake I think people make is by judging him by others like that like for example, uh elvis Was a maverick You know young handsome white boy singing like an african-american That's right. That's he's breaking the rules there Muhammad ali is breaking the rules and people right judge muhammad ali from what they known before. So here's Uh trump coming along breaking the rules, which he has to do in order to defeat The international banking cartel which is spawned out of the city of london When you can't play by their rules, um when their rules based order is all based on it And it favors them.

They set the game board up And when you if you want to beat somebody you can't play the game by their rules basic sun zoo Never, you know never fight on a ground prepared by your enemy Like this is not terribly difficult or like muhammad. How muhammad ali fought sonny liston in his first fight He didn't play by sonny liston's rules or by anybody's boxing's rules. He danced, right? Okay, he did yeah exactly tom tom we've been talking for almost an hour now anything you want to say before we finish up um Not really.

I think we covered a lot of it. I mean at the end of the day Like I the thing I want to remind everybody about is that if you think that trump did the the normal um, you know gig of of uh What am I what am I trying to say the the normal gig here of doing the regime change operation? Look into the bush angle on venezuela on florida and all of that and then talk to me. Okay Yeah, so but I gotta run because i'm just serious screaming at me that I gotta make a turn So yeah, it's about that time tom Thank you so much for doing this while you're on the road really really appreciate it You and I will see again in a week's time with susan and alex and then again with garfield and will garfield Yeah, garland garland garland garland nixon and then many many others no doubt And i'll have all the links in the description below tom Thank you so much all the best Bye-bye