Neurosurgeon, Dr Jack Kruse joined Align Podcast host Aaron Alexander last January to track the history of MKULTRA, as it moved into the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) during the 1970s and then moved into the domain of DARPA and into the emerging digital, satellite and artificial Intelligence technologies under President Obama’s BRAIN Initiative.

Kruse says that CIA Director Richard Helms had ordered the destruction of all of the MKULTRA documents but that he'd forgotten about the cache of boxes in Louisiana. Kruse says he stumbled onto these while he was working at Charity Hospital in New Orleans and he was able to peruse the documents before they were destroyed by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Essentially, the purpose of MKULTRA is to turn humans into controllable automatons with shortened lifespans. MKULTRA brainwave-entraining EMF frequencies are of a piece with the weaponization of our environment with chemtrails, nuclear waste, water fluoridation, estrogen-mimicking pesticides, Forever Chemicals and SV40-laden “vaccines”, all of which are malicious by design.

Kruse charts the history of how MKULTRA experiments started by controlling the human mind with drugs and then moved on to electricity, then to wireless electricity and then to light.

People can be controlled via electromagnetic radiation through computer / cellphone screens. There are several patents discoverable through Google Patents, like US6506148B2 from 2001, “Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors” and “X-optogenetics / u-optogenetics: Methods and systems for performing optogenetics using X-rays or ultrasound waves”.

Kruse says it was discovered that blue light is the best light to control people, because, as this study shows, “Blue light, particularly in the 440–480 nm range, stimulates the production of dopamine and enhances cognitive arousal, mood, and alertness. It activates melanopsin-containing cells in the eye, which directly impacts dopamine release in the retina and brain. This mechanism…contributes to the addictive nature of screen.”

Blue light also ruins the Leptin-Melanocortin Pathway by suppressing melatonin, reducing leptin sensitivity, and altering hunger signals, leading to insulin resistance, according to this 2022 paper, “Protective Effects of Melatonin against Obesity‐Induced by Leptin Resistance”.

IMAGE: Leptin-Melanocortin Pathway.

Kruse says that spending hours per day, ingesting blue LED light from computer and cellphone screens is seriously screwing up your entire biochemistry, making you fat and making you much more programmable to electromagnetic radiation.

He says:

“Without the Sun, without you imbibing information and wisdom from nature, which is mostly from light, there is no enlightenment. It’s impossible. There is no enlightenment with man-made artificial light, at any level, and anybody who tells you otherwise is also full of sh¡t.

“Why is that? Because that’s not light we’re designed to work with. Sunlight is unpolarized. Every last bit of artificial light, whether it’s the electric or magnetic field associated with it, is polarized. That means it’s suboptimal, by definition.

He found that originally, MKULTRA experiments were done out of Washington University in St Louis and then were moved to the Stanford Research Institute in Palo Alto. He says many of the shady characters and psychiatrists around the JFK assassination were involved, some figures going all the way back to Leon Trotsky.

He says many of the Operation Paperclip scientists weren’t Nazis, they were Bolsheviks, to the point where Trotsky’s granddaughter still runs the National Institutes of Drug Abuse in the United States. She was appointed by Fauci in 2006. Her name is Nora Volkow.

IMAGE: Leon Trotsky’s granddaughter Nora Volkow, Director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse

When MKULTRA moved to Stanford, that’s when the Tech Bros came into play. He specifically refers the mother of the Wojcicki sisters, Esther. Ann Wojcicki was a founder of the mass DNA-harvesting company, 23andMe and the late Susan Wojcicki was the CEO of YouTube before she died of turbo cancer in 2024 after de-platforming millions of users for “medical misinformation”.

IMAGE: Left to right: 23andMe founder, Ann Wojcicki, UC professor and physician, Janet Wojcicki, Creative Commons Vice Chair, Esther Wojcicki and late YouTube CEO, Susan Wojcicki attend the 2020 Breakthrough Prize Ceremony at NASA Ames Research Center.

In 2013, MKULTRA moved into the BRAIN Initiative, which has been studying brain interfaces with nanoparticles, nanoprobes, electrophysiological multielectrode arrays, as well as wireless methods of detecting and directing neuronal activity.

Kruse says that the elite Banksters (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bank for International Settelements (BIS), etc) and the transhumanist Tech Bros (Peter Thiel, Jack Dorsey, Sergey Brin, DARPA, etc) are at war with each other. Both sides are despicable but he would like to see the latter destroy the former before the people rise up to destroy the latter by using Bitcoin as a currency – not as an investment or as a “store of value”.

Dr Kruse currently lives in El Salvador, which uses Bitcoin as one of its currencies. He says that unlike with other cryptocurrencies, owning Bitcoin is owning Allodial Title, and that Bitcoiners who fully comprehend this and the concepts of decentralization could save the world from the Tech Bros but he’s concerned that most Bitcoiners are Air Pod-wearing tech addicts who are at a high risk of being mind-controlled by DARPA’s opto-photonic technologies. In the past, he’s cited the case of a Chinese man who was mind-controlled to give up the keys to his Ethereum wallet, causing him to lose the equivalent of $1.4 billion.

The most suprising part of this podcast is Dr Kruse’s claim that renowned organized crime figure Meyer Lansky spawned both MKULTRA and the concept of programmable currencies (CBDCs), which is not the one-dimensional mobster one may expect about the person played by actor Ben Kingsley in Warren Beatties’ ‘Bugsy’.

Kruse says that when Lansky was asked to have the Mafia guard the city’s waterfront and the Brooklyn Navy Yard at the behest of Leslie Groves, they ran across an SS surgeon, whose life was spared due to his involvement with Nazi mind control experiments that the US Navy wanted to learn about – and voilà, MKULTRA was born.

Later, in 1969 when the IRS was coming after him, Lansky came up with the idea for digitized, programmable money, as he was already very computer-savvy by then! Meyer Lanksy was definitely a lot more interesting of a fellow than I ever knew.

Kruse gets into the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto and he talks the original developers of Bitcoin and about the war between the Elite Banksters and the Tech Bros in this short transcript of the final 21 minutes of this 1h29m podcast, below. 

TRANSCRIPT

Aaron Alexander: Dr Jack Kruse, thank you for making time to be here.

Dr Jack Kruse: No problem, anytime.

Aaron Alexander: Dr Jack, what is the greatest lie modern culture is told about the Sun?

Dr Jack Kruse: Everything. Everything about it is wrong. Everything they believe is a lie, because it suits their agenda.

Aaron Alexander: Can you say more?

Dr Jack Kruse: I mean, I think that covers it.

Aaron Alexander: What is the Sun? What is the Sun to us?

Dr Jack Kruse: The Sun is what provides you a trickle of electricity that runs every single thing in your body. I mean, it’s the everything.

I put a picture out all the time that says the Sun is TINA. What does “TINA” stand for? “There Is No Alternative”.

You don’t run on anything else. You may think you run on food and exercise, but you don’t, because all of that comes from the sun.

That’s the dirty little secret of nature. And when you understand just how connected that life is for 4.6 billion years, you know, what those centralized shills tell you is just “abject propaganda”. It’s nonsense. It’s so they can sell you products. That’s it. It’s that simple.

Aaron Alexander: What does the word enlightenment mean to you?

Dr Jack Kruse: Depends on the context, obviously. When you talk about this, it’s going to mean something different. But to me, enlightenment is people who actually put time into their lives to become First Principle thinkers, so that they don’t get drunk on their own dogma.

Aaron Alexander: What is light’s role in enlightenment?

Dr Jack Kruse: Goes back to what I told you about the sun. It’s pretty much everything.

Without the Sun, without you imbibing information and wisdom from nature, which is mostly from light, there is no enlightenment. It’s impossible.

And people fool themselves all the time when they’re in an environment that is polluted with polarized light. They may think they’re enlightened, but they’re suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

There is no enlightenment with man-made artificial light, at any level, and anybody who tells you otherwise is also full of sh¡t.

Why is that? Because that’s not light we’re designed to work with. Sunlight is unpolarized. Every last bit of artificial light, whether it’s the electric or magnetic field associated with it, is polarized. That means it’s suboptimal, by definition.

You may not like it, but physics and nature could care less about what your opinion is on it. These are axiomatic truths. The problem is people don’t like axiomatic truths.

But when you go and factcheck this, you find out that I’m right. And that creates, then a different conundrum. That’s why I said enlightenment depends on the context you bring it.

Aaron Alexander: What do you know about MKULTRA? And tell me about it.

Dr Jack Kruse: I mean, it depends how you want to discuss it. If you want to discuss it from the way everybody else understands it, you’ll get a different story.

If you want to understand it the way I understand it, because I was involved, I actually was able to find boxes related to this program before they were destroyed in the basement of Cary Hospital.

Basically, it’s a program that started originally with a guy named Meyer Lansky finding a surgeon from the SS on the docks of the Brooklyn Navy Yard at the behest of Leslie Groves. They killed most of the people, but they didn’t kill him.

And the link, the reason why he wasn’t killed by the accountant of Murder, Inc. is because he said some interesting things that shocked Lansky, namely that the Nazis were doing mind control experiments. And the one that they were currently doing when he was caught was they were using Mexican peyote to see if they could control the minds of people in Germany and people they had captured. And that spared his life.

And then, that information went straight up the command chain to General Groves. What happens from that time during the war to when MKULTRA gets formalized in a CIA doctrine, eventually a guy named [Sidney] Gottlieb runs the program.

And they move from drugs to different drugs. The one that’s most famous with Gottlieb is he dropped acid on the city of St Louis in the 1950s. They found that it didn’t really cause what they thought it would cause. And then they morphed into using other different things on people for mind control.

Where did it eventually end? It went through a guy named Delgado, who spent time in both Mexico, Spain, Europe, and for small parts of the time at Tulane University in New Orleans, where they began to use light.

What light did they use first? They use electricity. They got the idea from electric shock therapy. And then it morphed into wireless radiation. It first started with wireless. They used wires implanted in animals’ heads when they found that that worked. Then the next logical question was, “What about wireless?” They were able to do that.

And then, they magically landed on what light allows us to control people the best and it wasn’t just people. It was actually a lot of animals they had tested. And it turned out the answer was blue light.

And the reason why was pretty simple. It was because it was able to ruin the leptin-melanocortin pathway, which they didn’t know about at that time, but they knew it caused a dopamine problem in the brain. That, they did know, definitively.

And what did they do? Through empiric testing, MKULTRA got more refined. MKULTRA moved from Washington University, where most of it was done in St Louis, and then was moved to the Stanford Research Institute.

Then, a lot of the shady characters that you heard about in the JFK assassination, some of the psychiatrists there that go all the way back to Trotsky.

Again, the Bolshevik Revolution played a huge role in a lot of these scientists that came over in Operation Paperclip. So much so that Trotsky’s granddaughter still runs the National Institutes of Drug Abuse in the United States right now. She was appointed by Fauci in 2006. Her name is Nora Volkow.

Once it moved from Stanford Research, you had a lot of the Tech Bros, specifically the mother of the Wojcicki sisters, who I’m sure you know. That’s Susan and Ann. Those were two founders of Google. The other sister went on to great fame when she was married to Sergey Brin, starting 23andMe, which is something I’m sure you’ve probably heard of.

Then, it moved to the BRAIN Initiative, when Obama came in.

Then, most of the research was sent offshore. Why? Because they realized because of the tyranny that went on with 9/11 and the Patriot Act, that if this was ever found onshore and there was any evidence, that potentially, people could be brought up on treason. So they moved most of it to South America.

They picked South America specifically, because it was close to a lot of the CIA honeypots and bases that are present in Central and South America, because that’s effectively what the embassies are. And they needed to do a lot of the formal testing on brown people. Why? Because they found that brown people are more resistant to electromagnetic radiation than people who have Fitzpatrick 1s.

And that stuff has been borne out, right in front of your face without you realizing it. If you remember the Navy Yard attack in, I believe it was Virginia, on the top of one of the guy’s rifles that he wound up killing some of his people that he was involved with in his experiments. He had the word “ELF, RF” carved in the gun.

He was a black guy. Second one that famously happened during the Obama, second Obama term, was a black lawyer from Florida State University who didn’t kill anybody but shot into the library at Florida State. And he had told many of his friends and family that there was somebody in his head controlling him.

And he also, at the scene, knew that it was ELF, RF, and blue light radiation, when he had no way of really knowing any of this, because by training he was a lawyer. So those are the two latest issues, where the evolution of MKULTRA got fast-forwarded.

In that time frame I just gave you, there were many patents. Several of them are discoverable through Google Patents. Meta’s got some. But you can control people through electromagnetic radiation through screens. Those patents are out there. They’re well known. It’s no longer a mystery.

I think many people think it’s a conspiracy theory until they actually looked into it. But I always tell people that there can be no conspiracy theory when there’s patents associated with the technology.

(Promo break)

Aaron Alexander: What is the directive of mind control of people using blue light and screens? What is the long term?

Dr Jack Kruse: That’s changed. That’s changed a lot in the military. But I think where it is right now, it’s for complete control, to get us back to the feudalist, medieval state, so that we all do what the people who are in charge [tell us what to do], those are the elites. Those elites are the transhumanist technocrats that run the Big Tech companies who work for the Department of Defense and the military.

The military is who runs the United States. The best way to put it: They’re the original proletariat. They’re the Templars, as same type of evolution. They’re the people that hold the knife behind the people that are on your TV every night that you call “President”, “Vice President”, “Congressman”, “Senator”, you name it, “Supreme Court Justice”. That’s MK Ultra in a nutshell.

Aaron Alexander: What percentage of personalities on the internet are politicians would be useful idiots compared to knowing fraudulent domestic terrorists, I guess you could say?

Dr Jack Kruse: I mean, based on what we know from the programs, everybody’s a useful idiot if they understand they can be programmed. If you’ve done any homework on this at all, probably the most famous place, where the shark fin for this program came up was in 1968 through ‘73 when the US embassy in Moscow was bombarded by microwave radiation by the Russians. This was done to show the world that this has a huge biologic effect.

If you look back in history, which anybody can do, we had four straight ambassadors to Russia come down with blood cancers. It wasn’t until Kissinger, who was the Secretary of State with Nixon at that time, he ordered the military to line the entire US embassy with tinfoil.

Now, the only reason that we know of this today, the reason it’s discoverable, it’s because anything who was on the Federal Register got kicked back. And it wasn’t really a kickback, it was called hazard pay for this time, because it was obvious that these people were sick.

That was the forerunner for Havana Syndrome, which you all heard about in Obama’s reign, when the Cuban government did the same thing to American journalists and American scientists in Havana. And the basic science of that came out of the DARPA program that was present when MKULTRA moved to Stanford.

That’s called Frey [Effect] or microwave effect on the ear, where you can use microwaves, and you can force people to hear things in their head through an acoustic microwave sound. Those papers are all published in the literature, very well known. No magic.

There’s many people out in the internet world who are what we call “DEW people”, they’re Directed Energy Weapon-injured. In fact, a guy that I did a podcast with, I would say two years ago, actually had one of those guys on his podcast, you could probably go back and listen to exactly, you know, what he talked about, but everything that he said was factually correct about actually how microwaves interact with melanin in your ear to cause this microwave microphone effect, so that they can put thoughts into your head. And these were the same things that the guy who is the Navy guy that had the ELF, RF drilled into his phone, I should say drilled into his gun that he used to kill people.

And the same thing with the lawyer at Florida State. So this is, like I said, fully discoverable, should be a very obvious to everybody who listens to this. But I know isn’t, you know, in the neck of the woods where you are, I think you’re still in California.

Aaron Alexander: I’m in Miami.

Dr Jack Kruse: Alright, so different place, now. So the prison system in the 1960s, before it went right to Stanford, they used a lot of the prisoners as, how shall we say, “volunteers” to make sure this technology could work.

That’s also been discoverable. We found out a lot of that stuff through the Church Commission, that one from 1974, ‘75 through ‘77.

And I think probably the most damning state of affairs was probably the psychiatrist that dealt with Jack Ruby in the JFK assassinations. His name is Charlie West. He was also involved with several other prominent people at that time. He was an MKULTRA psychiatrist.

He was found to be heavily-involved with Jack Ruby’s demise. But he also worked with other people in there. The gentleman who was his direct superior was the head of the CIA at that time.

I’m blanking on his name, but I can tell you exactly where you can find his name, because Oliver Stone, in the last frame of ‘JFK’, put the story that MKULTRA was effectively ended by this head of the CIA. Why? Because he destroyed all the files before the Church Commission, so that none of them would be discoverable.

The only problem was they didn’t know about the ones in Louisiana. Those are the ones I got into when I was a resident. So that’s how I know a lot of the details that a lot of people don’t know about. And the very interesting part is the gentleman, who I’m referencing right now, who I’m blanking on his name, he was put into power by Dulles.

And you probably do know Dulles Airport is named after John Foster Dulles and his brother. Brother, both of them were CFR people. These are the Fabians. These are the people that were loyal to the Crown. They were both involved in the Treaty of Versailles. Allen Dulles was famously also head of the CIA. He was fired by JFK.

John Foster Dulles was also a prominent politician. He died before JFK was killed. But Allen Dulles was very involved in JFK’s demise. He effectively appointed the next head of the CIA, who was involved with the prosecution of Clay Shaw in New Orleans. And that was what Garrison, he was the only person ever brought up on trial in the United States for the assassination of JFK.

And Jolly West was involved in that investigation. So MKULTRA was also involved, not only in the science part, but also in one of the greatest political mysteries of probably the 20th century.

And still, to this day, most of those archives are redacted. The parts that we need to see, we can’t see, even though Trump released a lot of them. The key pages of the players that were involved in MKULTRA with the CIA, there’s about a page and a half that everybody’s want redacted and nobody will do it.

So, as far as I’m concerned, I just gave you a history lesson of kind of what MKULTRA is really about. And anybody who thinks that MKULTRA isn’t active in a new evolutionary format now, with algorithms, EMF, blue light, and other parts of the spectrum being used against humanity at a global scale, then you’re just brain dead, sitting behind a computer.

Aaron Alexander: Where specifically, is there a resource of sorts that a skeptical person could see in a simplistic, concise, spoon-fed way, that would back up these claims with evidence that someone could see online?

Dr Jack Kruse: Yeah, I mean, I think everything that I’ve told you, you should factcheck. I mean, I tell everybody, the issue with First Principle thinking is that you have to factcheck everything. Everything that I’ve told you today, with the exception of one thing, is not discoverable.

Why aren’t the boxes that I found at Charity Hospital not discoverable? Because Charity Hospital was destroyed in 2005 by Katrina. That’s where the boxes were stored.

And the one thing that you can find is that CIA director, after Clay Shaw died, he died in 1974. Five years later in 1979, he destroyed all of the files that are associated with MKULTRA.

The most interesting part that was discovered in 1979 is on trial, when Clay Shaw was asked, was he a CIA asset in this program? He, of course, denied it. There was a lot of evidence that Garrison had found that wasn’t the case. I found all the evidence in the boxes in Charity Hospital.

But the interesting thing was that that CIA director admitted in 1979, five years after Shaw was dead, that he was, in fact a CIA asset.

So, I mean, everything I’ve told you is fully discoverable. The only thing that’s not is the boxes in Charity Hospital. But then you have to ask yourself this question if you’re a First Principle thinker: “How the f@ck would I know any of this if I didn’t get in those boxes?” Because nobody else does.

And I was able to link everything back to things that completely happened and happened in the city that I do my residency in. None of that is arguable, at this point.

Most of the basic research was done at Tulane University in the Department of Neurology and Neurosurgery. That’s also discoverable. That’s why there’s a primate lab there. LSU also has a primate lab. That primate lab was well known to be tied in the JFK story.

Aaron Alexander: Am I under a state of mind control? And if I am, how would I know?

Dr Jack Kruse: Well, you wouldn’t. That’s one of the key things about becoming a First Principle thinker. You have to question everything. Most people, especially these days, when you’re online as much as you are, I mean, not to be a dick, but I mean, it’s probably good for the audience to pick up this flavor.

Before we recorded, you asked me, Jack, should I wear my glasses? Then when you asked me the questions you asked me, you magically put your blue glasses on. But you didn’t think I noticed it, but I did.

Why? Because therein lies the big issue. Because you became aware of something that you were like, I didn’t know that I was going to talk to him about, and I didn’t know he was going to answer the way he answered. But the fact that I did, you said, “Well, maybe it’s a good idea that I interrupt the electromagnetic connection through polarized light when we talk about this stuff.”

Because if you want to know the truth, are the questions that you asked me with and without the glasses on different? Yes.

And if the programming, like, let’s be hypothetical here. Let’s say Google knew that you and I were doing this today. Could they have easily went through Zencaster and done something to affect this interview to get the answers they want? The answer is absolutely no question about it.

Have I had something like that happen to me in the last, I’d say the last 14 months? Yeah. I had the internet turned off when I gave a talk at Adopting Bitcoin in 2024. And we know Google did it.

So you have to ask yourself, why was that the case? Because they knew they weren’t going to be able to control anything I was able to say. That’s why when you see me do talks and podcasts, you never see me wearing electromagnetic devices around me.

I’m very careful about what I do and how I do it. So you, Aaron, should probably tell the audience what my answer was to you when you said, “Jack, should I wear these?” What did I say to you?

Aaron Alexander: You said, “Only you know about your light environment.”

Dr Jack Kruse: Correct. But do you, really? No, you don’t. And see, that in lines, there’s the Dunning-Kruger moment for you. But the interesting thing is, you became informed by asking me the question.

And then, you started to think about it. And did we talk about this? No, but I saw it happen. So did the audience. So you have to ask yourself, “What happens if you don’t know about it?”

Because your original question is “How many people do I think are affected by this?” I don’t think there’s a person out there that isn’t, except the people that understand the capabilities of what’s possible. And they can take effects. Are there ways to protect yourself from this? There absolutely is.

But are most people in the daily course of their life in the Western Hemisphere doing that? No.

Aaron Alexander: It does make sense to me that it would be very valuable to be able to control the mind of someone, particularly for something like the JFK scenario, or perhaps the recent Trump scenario.

And I have resistance to saying certain words on the internet. And I think that’s a reasonable thing, just because I’d prefer for this episode to get aired to hundreds of thousands of people, instead of hundreds of people.

But that would make sense to me that that would be a very valuable tool. Who is Lee Harvey Oswald?

(Promo Break)

Dr Jack Kruse: A patsy, he worked for the CIA, and he was a Useful Idiot in his time. And in some ways, was he a patriot? Yeah, he was. He actually foiled the attempt on JFK’s life in two cities, one in Chicago, and another one in Tampa. Very few people know about that.

But there were people that were involved that have the proof – at least, as far as I’m concerned – not only is it published in books they’ve written, but I actually had that person come to my house with the original documentation for me to see it.

Once I verified it for myself, I can tell you, there’s nothing about me that thinks that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved, in a nefarious way with killing JFK.

And did Lee Harvey Oswald know that he was going to be set up by the people in the CIA for this attack? Yes.

Is it also true that Lee Harvey Oswald was closely-associated with people who truly hated Kennedy? Yes, that is also very true.

But the key thing is, was he the person? No.

Was Jack Ruby more involved with the JFK assassination than Lee Harvey Oswald? In my opinion, he was. And he was taken out, very much, I believe, the same way Clay Shaw was taken out.

Most people don’t talk about Clay Shaw’s death, but he died in 1974 of lung cancer. What people forget is Jack Ruby died of stomach cancer. And what’s brought a lot of this to light lately is kind of the Danny Jones podcast that I did when I talked about MKULTRA the first time, when I was asked about it.

And I made a comment there that the people that had taken this new distribution from the Department of Defense that we call the C***** [bleeped-out, I think it’s COVID].

In time, we would see the same type of turbo cancers that we saw in the past around the people that were involved with the Cutter [COVID?] incident, that were involved with the original bioweapons research that was done on mice and rats, and then eventually morphed into primates.

All of that has been shown to be true. The interesting thing is, I thought people, when I originally did that podcast, would be very interested to see how a new technology, as Dr Robert Malone likes to talk about it, have the original problem from the Polio C***** [COVID?] in 1951 through ‘55, that it was, you know, polluted with SV40, amongst other things.

And when that proof was definitively shown, through vials that Kevin McKiernan tested, and then reconfirmed by Philip Buchholz, and now many other labs, it’s no longer conjecture or conspiracy theory that these things happen.

The question that you have to ask yourself, as a podcaster and a podcast listener, tell me how it is that the SV40 promoter that we found out about 75 years ago is also in some of the newest technology that the Department of Defense was the main distributor?

It wasn’t Big Pharma. We like to use Big Pharma’s names associated with this, but remember who was the distributor?

That means proximal to Big Pharma. Big Pharma was just like a drug dealer. They weren’t the cartel. The Department of Defense was the cartel.

So when you think about some of the other people that I’ve been involved with, you may know that Bobby Kennedy, his dad was killed by Sirhan Sirhan, also discoverable that many people believe that Sirhan Sirhan was part of the MK ULTRA program that was based out of the Esalen Institute and also Bohemian Grove.

Again, all discoverable by you. All you have to do is look into it. I was the one that told Bobby Kennedy on Rick Rubin’s podcast that the bioweapon actually had SV40 promoter in it. Didn’t have the full genome, but it had the promoter.

And there were reasons that I knew that Bobby had never known that. And immediately upon saying that, if you look at his face on the podcast, he kind of acted like you did when you put your blue blockers on. He was like, he knew exactly what it meant.

It meant that the same people that were involved in killing his dad were now involved with killing millions of people – or potentially killing them – but certainly making them more controllable.

And one of the things that we do know in the MKULTRA, the SRI and the BRAIN Health Initiative, if we can cause any type of mitochondrial damage, you become much more programmable to electromagnetic radiation. And the reason for that is because it destroys endogenous melanin.

This also is not a shock to anybody today. Why? Because your government, right now is trying to protect the International Space Center and astronauts that circle this planet with synthetic melanin. From what? The Solar Wind. Is that not EMF? Yes, it is.

So all the pieces and parts are there. And when this program found out that if we destroy their endogenous melanin, that they become more controllable, what was the second part of this study, Aaron, that you may want to factcheck, since you’re into the fact checking thing today?

You know who did the first paper on the effect of electromagnetic radiation raising blood sugar and insulin? That was Nora Volkow, Trotsky’s granddaughter that runs the National Institutes of Drug Abuse, who was appointed by Fauci in 2006.

So you have a psychiatrist from the drug side, from the Jolly West family, OK, at a very high position in the government, now telling you in 2011 that non-80 VMF from a cell phone raises blood glucose and blood sugar.

Guess what the ultimate cause of that is? Destruction of melanin inside.

So this was DARPA getting things in the literature so that other researchers would understand that here is the mode of how we do it.

So let’s talk about how this was done at global scale, say from the time you were a little boy, or maybe when I was a little boy. That’s when dermatologists started recommending sunscreen for everybody.

Why would we do that? Well, we would always give you the bait. The bait is, well, the Sun is bad for you. That’s what you started this podcast with.

But what’s the hook of the PSYOPs? I just gave you the answer. You have to get rid of people’s melanin, to make them more programmable. And guess what? In the last 75 years, the American centralized healthcare program has become experts in making the Sun toxic.

Now you know the real reason why. They all got that original answer when Lansky found Plotkin on the Brooklyn docks. That’s how it all started. Now it’s a big circle. Everything’s discoverable.

I guess my question to you is, why the f@ck don’t you know about it? Why the f@ck doesn’t everybody know about it? You know why? Because they brand guys like me as a “conspiracy theorist”.

Remember what I told you. Can’t be a conspiracy theory when it’s provable and there’s patents to back it up.

So now it’s incumbent upon you and your audience to do your due diligence and become a first principle thinker and find out, A, is this true? And B, what are the implications of this for me and my life right now?

Aaron Alexander: From your perspective, who is Joe Rogan in all of this?

Dr Jack Kruse: Joe Rogan is part of the industrial military complex. He’s funded by people that are linked to the largest enemies of the American people. Those people historically are linked back to the Balfour Declaration. They’re linked back to Theodore Herzl. They’re linked back to Nathan Rothschild, Nelson Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations.

They now are most of the transhumanist technologists that are in Silicon Valley. Namely, the number one guy, I think for most people, is probably Peter Thiel with Palantir.

But he’s just the latest iteration. The generation before him, that was Page and Brin. Larry Ellison from Oracle is also in there.

Is Jamie Dimon part of this? Yeah. The bankers are the original generation of this. This would be like the ‘60s and ‘70s.

But remember, most people don’t realize that Jamie Dimon was basically propped-up by Sandy Weill of Travelers and eventually Citigroup when they merged. He learned everything he needed to learn.

And I will remind you, who banked Jeffrey Epstein? Jamie Dimon.

So, anybody who’s a good sleuth, just follow the money. The money will bring you back to the technology.

But remember, who else did JP Morgan bank? Several of the transhumanist technologists that I just mentioned to you in this podcast, who I won’t name now because you’ll probably never get this on YouTube.

Aaron Alexander: You believe Rogan is under some state of mind control? Or do you believe someone like him –

Dr Jack Kruse: I think Rogan’s a useful idiot. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. So, the synonyms I would use for you here, I would probably tell you that Dunning Kruger is probably larger for him than actually mind control.

Do I think he actually helps the people in the elitist paradigm control people they need to control? Yes, that I think he does through his podcast. No question about it.

Aaron Alexander: Unknowingly.

Dr Jack Kruse: Right, unknowingly. I don’t think he is smart enough to know some of the things that you and I are talking about. Now, do I think he’s smarter than you think? Yeah.

Why? Because he’s had enough people on that have gotten on the fringe of this story. And probably the number one guy that I would bring back, because he comes from the same lair of the transhumanist technologist, which is Elon Musk, you know, when they talked about Neuralink.

Anybody who understands what Neuralink is, what’s the goal? The goal is to use a satellite to control a device in your head to actually improve your light. That’s the worm on the hook. But what’s the real hook?

The hook is what Peter Thiel is interested in. Can we control people through satellite technology, which is the reason why the Department of Defense is so interested in, you know, electromagnetic radiation? Because let’s face it, what gets beamed down, you know, to do this interview through your iPhone, your cell phone, GPS data, it’s all electromagnetic radiation.

That’s why it’s, to me, it’s preposterous when you ask me the question you asked me, has no face validity. Anybody who’s not brain dead should understand that the electromagnetic spectrum is how information is parsed and transmitted. I mean, that goes all the way back from Morse code, you know, to what we have now in Garmin data.

But I also would remind you, because I don’t think the part that’s really discoverable, unless you look for it, is most people don’t know that a lot of the satellites are now being protected with synthetic melanin. That should raise a big question. Say, wait a minute, we come with biologic melanin and three different types.

What does this mean if one of these or two of these or three of these are destroyed? If we’re trying to protect electronics and astronauts, cosmonauts, the ESA astronauts in space from this stuff?

You know, that is a logical question from a First Principle thinker. But you haven’t heard too many people talk about that on podcasts, have you?

I will tell you, Aaron, that won’t come up in Joe Rogan’s world. That won’t come up in Danny Jones’s world, because when it does, guess what happens? It gets shut down. Or you get deplatformed. Or no one wants to talk about it.

But I can tell you, I happen to be one of those guys that not only has an encyclopedic knowledge about the history around this, but also happens to know the physics intimately, that this is all based on.

And there’s many military-types out there that know about this. They don’t give you the full parts, either. Because that’s part of the manual that the CIA developed prior to the Church Commission. They don’t have to tell you everything. All they have to do is give you bits and pieces of the story.

When you have a half-truth, it always leads to a full lie. That’s always been the CIA’s modicum. And if you know me well enough, you’ve probably heard me say that many times to some of the food gurus. Many of the things follow the same way. You never, ever get told the full story.

And that’s the reason why you need to be a First Principle thinker. Because when you do it, and you find out that things are a little bit more nefarious than you thought, and then you find out that the industrial military complex and the Department of Defense are really where most of this comes from, you begin to realize that Big Pharma aren’t really your enemy. It’s your government that’s the enemy.

The politicians in Congress right now, many people will say they’re the enemy. I wouldn’t disagree with that, at this point, but I will say to you that are they the real enemy? No, because they’re holding the knife to the necks of the politicians. If you want to know the truth, the same thing is true.

Charlie Kirk, why? Charlie Kirk was likely going to be a president, down the road. Well, when they realized that they couldn’t control him anymore, guess what happened? They his carotid artery bleed. That magically happens many, many times through history. Happened to Bobby Kennedy’s father.

Why? Because he’s madder than hell and wanted to find out what happened to his brother. And you and I are sitting here, 75 years after that event, and we still don’t know that answer!

You would think that would get a young guy like you maybe asking better questions than talking about some other stuff. But nobody seems to be interested in this stuff, anymore.

Aaron Alexander: What are the questions that I’m asking? Are I asking those questions?

Dr Jack Kruse: Talking about, you know, let’s make it simple because I want to make it so the audience understands. When people talk about food, diet, exercise, meditation, those things are all good, but they’re really superfluous when you understand this story.

When you understand this story fundamentally, that they’re going after the control grid that all these things operate with. And we should be much more interested in that story. How do we protect people from that issue? And to be honest with you, you actually hinted at the real problem.

“Jack, how many people really can be affected by this?” I’m going to tell you, Aaron, do you know any people, at least in your circle, that don’t have a screen, that are not using wireless electromagnetic radiation at some level in their life, either through their car, their job?

I mean, look, I’m pretty diligent about it. And I can tell you, even I break that rule. You know, every time I get in my car to drive somewhere, it’s an issue. And I know it’s an issue. But I don’t have a good answer for some of those problems.

The things that I can control, I try to control. That’s why, you know, I was provocative with you earlier in the interview. I was like, “Well, I think the things we can control, we have a duty to ourselves to do it. But the things that we can’t control, I think those are the things that we should talk about on podcasts and say, ‘OK, what are the implications of us not controlling it? And what potentially can happen?’”

You know, like something we haven’t talked about yet. Let’s think about it like this:

If we have more polarized light around all of us, and we block the Sun via Bill Gates technology, via geoengineering, what could the implications of that be? More or less mind control? I think if you listen to this podcast, you know the answer implicitly. How come we’re not talking about that?

Instead, what we’re talking about is who killed Charlie Kirk? Why you should own Bitcoin and not Ethereum? Why Emerald Robinson on TV is talking about some idiot, you know, who cooked an election in Fulton County, Georgia? You know, what dominates your awareness actually is what you focus on.

And for me, I mean, to me, this is some of the biggest stuff that I teach people about. And I like talking about the history, I want people to discover it. But I have to be honest with you, I guess, why I guess I’m a little bit incredulous. Maybe I’m being a little bit of a dick, here. I don’t know.

Aaron Alexander: I don’t think I know you any other other way! (Laughs).

Dr Jack Kruse: I would just say to you, you have now discoverable data that shows that your government put SV40 in [the COVID vaccine]. And it makes you more controllable. Why doesn’t anybody – why aren’t we in the streets?

I mean, can you imagine telling the story of Thomas Jefferson, considering what he wrote in the ‘Federalist Papers’? Do you know what he likely would have said? And then, when you think about the people that bankrolled all this, the bankers, those are the people that Jefferson and Madison warned us about.

But here we are, 250 years later, and you know what we’re doing? It’s Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. And remember, that was written way before our government ever formed. So I guess what I’m saying to you is: there’s bigger fish to fry.

And I don’t know if there’s a lot of people out there, they’re going to want to fish it. If you would have talked to me probably three or four years ago, I would have thought before this story broke with Bobby, with Nicole, with the transhumanists, that people would have been more engaged in it. And I guess I’m on the other side of that mountain, now and I’m kind of disgusted with humanity, to be quite frank with you.

Aaron Alexander: Is there anything you like about humanity?

Dr Jack Kruse: Well, I like the people that actually get pissed off about these kinds of things. Why? Because, I mean, let’s face it, the people that formed the United States government, they did a pretty good job. It took 250 years for the Fabians to figure out how to take this government apart. And I think we’re probably three to five years away from complete, abject, total destruction, which is part of the reason why I’m in El Salvador and you’re not.

It’s part of the reason why I’m a believer in Bitcoin and non-American money. Why? Everything that was great about the United States went away. We just had a President that told us, you know, told me and you, “Let’s make America great again.” I mean, who could not get behind that?

Even if you’re, you know, a left-wing liberal, you’re like, okay, let’s see what he’s going to do. And then literally in the last year, we find out that make American great again really is an acronym for make Israel great again.

Well, who’s that good for? You know, in this story? Well, all those guys that are running big tech companies in Silicon Valley; all those people that are running money center banks that we hear about on CNBC every day.

Well, I’m just that guy that’s out there saying, “When are we going to do something for Joe Smith in St Louis, whose parents got popped with LSD from Washington University? When are we going to do something for the Directed Energy Weapon people that are well-known and documented out there? When are we going to put someone in jail? When will Pam Bondi and Kash Patel put someone in jail, instead of putting people for tweets in jail? You know, because they said something against a group of people that they didn’t like.”

Well, I think, Aaron, what I’m saying to you, because I don’t think I’m being a dick, here. I think I’m actually pointing out the obvious; that there’s something radically wrong in the world, when these things happen.

I mean, if you don’t know this, you should: 13,000 people in Britain in the last three months have been put in jail for tweets. And this is supposed to be, you know, a “free country” that you can say what you want.

I’ll also have you know that just about every Western government has opened their borders to an invasion. Why? Because they can’t have the military go and shoot an American. So what did they do? Let’s get brown people from the South, get them to come up; who’ve already been processed through the mind control off. And then we’ll give them social security numbers and free money. And let them drive the people in the United States to get mad enough, so you start a civil war.

You know what the whole goal, Aaron, of this whole thing is? To start a civil war, to get rid of the Constitution. Why? The one thing that the transhumanists can’t handle is the First, the Second, and the Fourth Amendment.

But if you know anything about history and you understand what they’re doing, you should look into the execution of Charles the 1st and Oliver Cromwell. Any time when there’s been civil war, what’s the thing that always is a collateral effect? They change documentation. They change the laws. That’s exactly what the people in elite power that are wielding this electromagnetic magic stick at all of us. We need to do something about that.

And they have risks, trust me, they have weak points. We’re not talking about those. And I would tell you, I don’t want to talk about the weak points on the podcast. I actually just mentioned this to a couple of Bitcoiners, that this is not a discussion that I would like to have publicly: It’s a discussion that I would like to have with you next to me when all of your electromagnetic devices are in a Faraday bag.

OK? Just very similar to what Paul Revere did before he blasted through Lexington and Concord. He didn’t tell the British that he was coming. He told everybody in Massachusetts that they were coming. We need to do the same thing.

When you are run by tyrants and a criminal cabal, you effectively have to decide what do you want to do? So I guess what I’m giving you right now:

Uncle Jack’s pretty pissed off. I’m older than most of you. I’ve seen them do it longer than most of you. It’s kind of what drives me to be pissed off. Now I’m kind of apathetic about it because none of you want to do anything. You just want to go and factcheck everything I would tell you.

Dude, this factchecking has been going on for almost 70 years. And if you know anything through the [COVID] epoch, the only undefeated people through the [COVID] epoch are the conspiracy theorists! They’ve turned out to be right about everything!

But we still don’t have – I shouldn’t say that. I’ll give Kash Patel his due. He just put a judge from Milwaukee in jail for going after ICE agents – OK, one – But nobody that is linked to the JFK assassination, nobody that’s linked to MKULTRA, Stanford Research, BRAIN Health Initiative.

I mean, sh¡t, we haven’t even talked about the biggest elephant in the room. Why is it that Obama and Joe Biden went after incandescent bulbs? Well, if you’re listening to this story, it should be blatantly obvious why they did.

And that effect goes to be permanent in 2028. Why aren’t we shooting at the government over that? I think even the brain dead in the audience will say, “You know, that is a problem. I don’t like LED lights because they give me headaches or they give me migraines or they’re not good for me. I know they’re not good for me, because I’ve had the experience of living under them.”

And what’s the hook there? What was the bait? The bait was you’ll save in energy bills. Aaron, can I ask you a question? Have your energy bills gone down since you started using LED lights? The answer is no. So the bait isn’t even good!

But the hook is deep in your epiglottis now.

Aaron Alexander: What would be the solution for an individual listening to this, if they’re not in a place of being skeptical? They’re like, “OK, I want to entertain this. I want to do some research and explore this for myself. And I want to address this within my own body, biologically.”

Dr Jack Kruse: Yeah, I would I would tell them the first thing I would do is probably listen back to this podcast and start numbering all the different things that I said. Factcheck each one.

At the end of it, if you want to short or speed the process up, go buy Andrew Marino’s book, ‘Going Somewhere’. Read that. That’ll probably blow your mind, when you read the congressional testimony that he and Becker put in in the early ‘70s.

If that doesn’t convince you that this has been going on at global scale, then you know what? I can’t help you. This podcast can’t help you. You have to help yourself.

And I guess that’s probably what’s the undercurrent of this podcast, is I think we’re past the skeptical phase. It’s now "we-need-to-do-something. And if we don’t do something soon, this is not going to end the way many people like, not at all.

And if you want to know the truth, Aaron, I’ve already told you, through foreshadowing how I feel about it. Where are you located? Miami. Where am I located?

Aaron Alexander: El Salvador.

Dr Jack Kruse: Exactly. Why is that? Would that be a wise choice? Say, Aaron, based on all the things you know, for the last 20 years between those countries, isn’t that a really unusual decision to make? Why would I do something like that?

See, those are the kind of things that you need to think about, when you listen to a podcast like this. And I think when you do enough homework and you decide, “OK, I’m not going to be apathetic, anymore. I’m actually I’m very interested in this.”

Then, what you do is then you start reading material. Then, you start finding, OK, tell me the implications. What are the what’s the action plan? What do you have to do? I mean, you already saw the people that will be watching this already saw the first action plan:

When you get in front of a screen, you probably should have blue blockers on. OK, that’s the bare minimum. But are there other things we can do? Obviously, you know, there are. We talked about some of them, already.

The US military, Henry Kissinger, put tinfoil on the inside of the US embassy in Moscow to stop microwave bombardment. Well, maybe you can do the same thing with your iPhone. Maybe you can do the same thing with your house.

Maybe you can learn about a Faraday cage. Maybe you can learn about Faraday clothing. Maybe you can learn about how to protect yourself when you’re in an airplane or in a Tesla.

Maybe you can go out and buy EMF meters. You know, we have Geiger counters for radiation. Remember, radiation is ionizing radioactivity.

That’s part of the electromagnetic spectrum. We also have little badges that you see doctors wear in hospitals that measure how much x-rays we get. Well, we also have things that measure how much RF you get, how much microwaves you get.

Maybe you learn those things instead of buying useless shit for Christmas this week. You buy those and learn how to use them and go, “Hey, look at that! Where I live, there’s a guy next door that has a router that’s right on the wall. Maybe that’s why my mother can’t sleep and she’s got Alzheimer’s disease. Could that maybe a reasonable link?”

That’s kind of what we need. We need to take control back of our life.

And the best way for us to do that is not only to be skeptical, but it’s also to be curious and feed your curiosity with some of these things that are in this podcast. And then realize that how those things, those historical facts, are all around your life now. All the current events in your life currently, right now, none of those things happen if what happened in the ‘50s and ‘60s didn’t happen.

If you don’t understand how we went from Meyer Lansky to Roy Cohn to Jeffrey Epstein, you need to know that. You need to know who Roy Cohn was when he started. You may not know this.

You may not know the links, but Roy Cohn was the lawyer for Joe McCarthy.

Who was Joe McCarthy going after? Communism.

Guess what Roy Cohn was? Roy Cohn was a guy that was a Fabian.

And what did he do? He actually took McCarthy apart.

Who did Roy Cohn become, Aaron? He became the first fixer for Donald J Trump. And he was taken out in 1986. Then, other lawyers stepped-up. Now, we have new fixers. Everything always evolves.

But guess what? The story is always the same. You know, you saw it recently in the Attorney General. We had people outside with binders. “Oh, this is the Epstein list. Look, we all have this!”

Then, we went to magically, “There is no Epstein list! There is nobody that Epstein harmed.”

We just had a former president and his wife come out and say, “There was nothing about us and Jeffrey Epstein.” You just heard that, literally this week.

And then, what happens? Then, you get a data dump that Kash Patel and Bondi said, “We didn’t have that show all these pictures of all these people all together.”

Ask yourself, my friend, doesn’t that sound a little bit about, I just remembered the guy’s name, Richard Helms. That’s the CIA director that ended the MKULTRA stuff.

Isn’t that very similar to the story I just told you, where Richard Helms destroying the boxes? Isn’t that very similar to what Hillary Clinton did with Bleach Bit, when she destroyed the servers? About Comey with the emails?

Don’t you find it kind of interesting that how all these stories kind of rhyme and they’re not duplicates, but they rhyme and they’re always tied to the same thing.

So what I’m saying to you is I want you to be more engaged. I want you to understand how many of these biology stories that people are interested in are tied to this story.

Like, if you think your breathing techniques, your movement techniques improve you, great. But remember, if you lose the endogenous melanin in the body of interlandal [?], you’re not enlightened. Your movement’s not doing sh¡t.

Your breathing techniques aren’t as effective as they could be. I want you to become really effective. I want you to become a savage.

And I want you to understand how the things in our environment, the things that are being done to us at a sub-molecular level, below your ability to perceive it are happening and they’re affecting those things.

And they’re doing it not just one way, they’re doing it literally in thousands of different ways, all to slowly wear you down.

Aaron Alexander: How important is it for a human being to make contact with the earth? How important is grounding?

Dr Jack Kruse: It’s really important. Part of the reason why it’s critically important has a lot to do with physics. So I like to give people the idea that they’ve already had the experience. Instead of using a person on the ground, because the physics can be a little bit hard for people to follow, I’d rather use a coffee maker.

If you go get a coffee maker that has two prongs and one that has three prongs and you get volt meters and things like that, you’ll find out that the one that has three prongs is more energy-efficient.

I would tell you the same thing about you when you’re standing on the Earth with feet exposed and there’s no power lines or water lines that have EMF below, you’re way more energy-efficient.

And if you understand when you’re way more energy-efficient, that means that you’re not as subject to the MKULTRA, SRI, or BRAIN Health Initiative programs.

That’s actually one of the first things of you getting better. So grounding is something, it’s free, it’s really hard for the government to impact.

The interesting thing is the way they try to impact it, is they’re allowing people to put that stuff below ground and people don’t realize that that is exactly the same thing as geoengineering above, by blocking the Sun.

So grounding is really, really important.

Aaron Alexander: If a person is in a high rise or they’re surrounded by non-native EMFs, Wi-Fi, etc., is grounding almost like a form of discharge, in a way? How does that work?

Dr Jack Kruse: You could think about it, but again, this goes really back to the question that you asked me about “Should I wear blue blockers or not?” I’m going to tell you, when you’re in a big building, you have to realize you’re away from the ground.

Now, can you effectively ground yourself in a big building if you know what you’re doing properly? The answer is yes.

Here’s the problem that you don’t realize is that the higher you go up off the Earth, EMF gets bigger. So there’s more polarized light, say, at the 30th floor than there is at the first floor.

So the second question I would ask you, even though you’re grounded, how much are you doing for the EMF around you? And then, you have to ask yourself, OK, what are those effects?

So one of the things that I can do as a neurosurgeon, I can do an MRI on you looking for melanin sheets in different parts of your body to see if they’ve been destroyed. We’ll see little white matter plaques in different places.

So if you tell me, “OK, I can’t sleep, or I’m having more trouble meditating since I moved to the 37th floor in Miami than I did, say, when I lived on the first floor,” then we have an actionable plan that we can fix.

The problem is, do you think most of the people that you know and talk to are that sophisticated? The answer is, they’re not. And unfortunately, that’s the problem. And I need more of those people, not less. Why?

Because really the battle that I fight both on the biologic side and probably on the thinking side is I need more of those people to realize the most valuable asset that they have is their time, and specifically their healthy time, so that the most amazing machine, this brain of yours, continues to work really well in the future.

So we don’t allow people in Washington, DC to steal our time any further, because effectively that’s the greatest inflation I think that we face.

I think the inflation of our money is a problem, but it’s probably not in my top three. The top one is the inflation of stealing our time and our ability to think so that we become useful idiots and economic slaves in the paradigm that we’re in.

To me, that’s a real big problem. And I think you know this as well as the audience, that the sicker you are, the much more easy it is to control you economically, but I’ve already told you the reason why is because they’re removing melanin from the system. And when they do that, the things that they’re using are much more effective.

And if you don’t believe that, remember, who’s the other normal humans that are not heavily-melanated or -myelinated? Those are children.

And what do we know already? Children who are around EMF are much more subject to the detrimental effects. The same thing is true with adults who have had, how shall I say, their endogenous security system removed from them, without them knowing about it.

Aaron Alexander: And who is, what is the name of the Satoshi Miyota? How do you say his name?

Dr Jack Kruse: Satoshi Nakamoto. That’s the guy who is the believe...

Aaron Alexander: Hold on, let me... I want to specifically ask you, how do you say his name? Satoshi Nakamoto? Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

Dr Jack Kruse: I’ve publicly come out in several other podcasts. I believe that gentleman was a guy named Len Sassaman. But he has direct lineage back to Meyer Lansky. And the guy who’s the middleman is a guy named David Chaum. That’s the link.

And the link used to be Meyer Lansky. You have to know who and what he was. He was a Ukrainian-Russian immigrant that came over 1911. He began to work for some of the Zionists. Ones that you would know as Bronfman, running liquor in the Midwest of the United States. And then, he is the guy that we got the term called “money-laundering”.

Why? Because he realized early on, as a young man that the best way to steal money and the government couldn’t see you from paying taxes. Because remember, the Federal Reserve Act came in with also taxes in 1913. Lansky was the guy that came up with using laundromats.

That’s why you have the term “money-laundering”. So he was the guy that broke the original system. And it turned out in this whole story, he’s also the guy that broke the Rothschild and Rockefeller system in banking.

In 1969, he basically came back to the United States after taking some solace in Israel and went back and told the United States that he effectively had control of the Blacksburg, Virginia computer for the IRS. He was always one step ahead of the bankers. He hated the bankers.

And the reason that he hated the bankers is because, as I told you, he found out, through his work with General Groves, through the military, that the people that were behind this whole thing were the bankers.

It wasn’t the religion. He was very upset as a Jewish man that Zionists were using Jews as a human shield. And he was really pissed-off about it. The one thing about Lansky as a criminal, which makes him very unique, he actually had morality. He believed if you were stupid enough to get screwed, then that was OK.

But if you had something happen to you that was below your ability to see it, that wasn’t a good thing. And he wasn’t about that. So from 1950 all the way through 1969, he devised a way to always be proximal to the US Treasury, to always be proximal to the IRS, to be proximal to intelligence.

And how do you know this to be the case? Who was he historically, that you can all find out? He’s the accountant for Murder, Inc. He’s the accountant for the mob. All the people that were involved in the JFK assassination, he was the guy running their money.

That’s how successful he was. And when he found out what was really going on, he used a loophole in law. His attorney was a guy named Ira Malnick, who’s still alive, very close to where you live now in South Florida.

And Malnick told him that after Israel was formed, that if you have any Jewish blood in you, that you can go back and get a passport. And you can also seek refuge in Israel and be protected by the government. So who was going after Lansky at that time? The FBI and intelligence. Why?

Because they knew that Lansky had taken some money from some of the casinos in Cuba during the Cuban Revolution. And they were going to go and attempt to bring him up on the same charges that they got Al Capone on, which was tax evasion. They never got Al Capone on the things they wanted.

So that was the goal of J Edgar Hoover. Why did J Edgar Hoover and the FBI want Lansky dead-to-rights?

Because Lansky believed in controlling people through blackmail. And everyone knows that J. Edgar Hoover was a flaming homosexual. Lansky had him dead-to-rights on everything that you can imagine.

And J Edgar Hoover, he was always afraid that Lansky was going to drop the dime, so to speak, on him. He never did.

And that was one of the codes that Lansky lived by, that he was not interested in owning assets. He was interested in owning people. And he was very interested in owning the FBI, because of his clients.

Who were his clients? Lucky Luciano, John Gotti, those types. Carlo Marsalo, the guys that you heard involved in the JFK assassination. And when Lansky told the Israelis the information that he had, because – and I’ll tell you exactly who it was – the attorney general for Lyndon Baines Johnson and early part of Nixon put out a subpoena to bring Lansky in on Tax Evasion charges. That’s when he fled to Israel.

Lansky then decided to do something that, to this day, I call it the “Top Gun offense”. If you want to know the truth, this is where Top Gun’s story comes from.

He tells the Israelis, “You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to go back to the United States and tell them the truth.”

So he literally walks in in 1969 and tells them the story that I’m telling you right now. And he said, “The best way for you to stay one step ahead of the bankers is that you have to have programmable money. Everything has to be computerized.”

How did he learn this? He was the guy that told General Groves, when he set up the Deep State outside the military. They used 67 Unix computers to do this.

Lansky was the guy that taught General Groves this. Then General Groves was brought back into the military in 1958 by Eisenhower. Why? Over Sputnik.

Sputnik was the military getting dressed-down by the Russians, because the Russians were the first ones in space. And the military knew exactly what that meant, that they could control things through electromagnetic radiation.

So Eisenhower, who hated Groves from World War II, brings Groves back in. That’s how Lansky, Murder, Inc., everybody gets back in. What happens in 1959? That name, ARPA changes to DARPA. That’s where the Deep State begins.

What also happens? The Cuban Revolution happens the same year. What also happens? That’s where you get the SV-40 story and the polio jabs. Like, all these things happen in history, all at one time.

And Lansky’s involved in it. And who’s the guy that’s still trying to come after him? The FBI. The FBI is going after Lansky, because they know he got money in the Cuban Revolution. They also know that he was involved in the JFK assassination, at some level.

They don’t know how, but they figure, “If we can catch him on Tax Evasion charges…” So what he does is go in and, “It’s impossible for you to catch me in Tax Evasion, because I own the computer that you use!”

When the Rothschilds or Rockefellers heard that, they nearly sh¡t, because they found there was a backdoor in there. Lansky was using a backdoor the whole time. So what magically happens in US history? The Bank Secrecy Act, which is the most illegal governmental law ever passed against Americans. But now, banks can spy on you.

Why was that? Because they wanted to find out what Lansky knew. They knew that American money was absolutely corruptible. Lansky told them the only way to make money incorruptible is to make it digital. That’s where the idea came from.

What magically happens the next year, Aaron? The Nixon Shock. That’s when they close the gold window.

In other words, U.S. money is no longer backed by gold. In fact, it’s backed by the might of the US military. Why? Because the government knows they need to blow money up, because money is no longer a safety harbor for the criminals in the banking elite.

What’s happened every year, since then? They have tried through their strong arm in BIS, which is Belgium, to make programmable money.

You want to know what the CBDC program is? It’s the original idea that Lansky gave them. But Lansky warned them it was going to be really, really difficult to actually make programmable money.

And boy, was he right. Because they told the story in ‘69. They still haven’t got it right, today. But what did Lansky also plan to do?

He planned to go back and look at the Munitions Act of World War II. What was magically in the Munitions Act? Something that nobody could figure out. Cryptography.

From Alan Turing, from the Enigma Machine. Why was that listed as part of the story? Because they used cryptography to control the outcome of World War II. You didn’t know that, but Lansky did.

And what did he do? He hired a computer scientist that has no money. You can go and look at this one, too. Magically, that guy, David Chaum opened seven international companies all tied to cryptography and making digital currency.

So, Lansky was going to use the best minds from Cal Berkeley at that time to build his digital money that was better than theirs. What did that eventually become? It became digital. But here’s the problem.

When Lansky died in ‘83, David Chaum was running with Ira Malnick this whole time. And they were trying to figure out how to do it. Magically, this young kid, who’s a PhD student of David Chaum’s, named Len Sassaman, comes in.

Len Sassaman is so smart. The US government hires him to do the TCP IP protocol that you use today on the internet. He did that when he was 18 years old!

Here’s the ultimate tie to the story: Do you know what Len Sassaman died from, Aaron? He died from a functional neurologic deficit, tied to non-native EMF toxicity. Guess why? Because everything he did was based on digitization.

He was always around a computer. So, what happens in the time between Chaum and Sassaman? Bitcoin goes from a project of Lansky and the accountants that controlled the mob; goes open source to the cypherpunks.

All the people that are tied that you know about; Jack Dorsey, Adam Back, Hal Finney. And when it goes open source, guess what that means? We get the greatest gift that Meyer Lansky could ever give us. It’s like him giving us herpes, the gift that never stops giving.

But guess what the problem is? The people in control do not like that you now have allodial title that’s better than their CBDC. And if you want to know what’s been going on, the last, I’d say since 2008, Sandy Weil trained Jamie Dimon. That’s it. There you go: The controlled demolition of money has been going on actively since 1971. That’s the life that you – the bubble – that you’ve existed in.

So let’s really zoom out. When you said to me, Jack, how many people are afflicted by MKULTRA?

Aaron, you don’t know any of this story. So guess what you are? You didn’t know it. And it was the system is designed for you not to know it. And how did I know it? Because it’s discoverable, because I kept following the breadcrumbs.

Now, the job is a guy like you to put this all back together and say, “Well, this not only affects my money, but this is actually affecting the health of my friends, my family, and everyone else.”

So, maybe this is a bigger story. Maybe we need to do something about the deep state. Maybe we need to do something about surveillance technology. Maybe now, you understand why Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and Reid Hoffman, the PayPal mafia guys, they’re not totally your friend all the time.

You need to understand that. Maybe, you need to do a better job thinking about why is Joe Rogan so popular when he’s just a comedian? Why is Lex Fridman, a physicist, doing a podcast? Why is Brett Weinstein, a biologist who has no clinical training, talking about the things he’s talking about? Why does his brother get on a podcast and ask one simple question?

I’d like to know why Jeffrey Epstein was at MIT, at my university in the math department and the finance department. I’ll tell you what, Aaron, those are pretty good questions, pretty damn good questions.

But guess what? Your current government redacted and whitewashed everything else. Your current attorney general, your current FBI director, they want to make sure Aaron Alexander doesn’t even know how to say Satoshi Nakamoto.

Aaron Alexander: Why is Trump and his son and much of what seems like the people around the government right now seem like they are pro Bitcoin?

Dr Jack Kruse: Well, they’re pro Bitcoin because they know that Bitcoin is better than the CBDC. So they would like to back Bitcoin by the failing money.

In other words, this is now an evolution of what happened in ‘69 through about ‘75, where the bankers knew that their money had to be blown up. But their goal has been to go to CBDC.

Who has Trump hitched his wagon to? No longer the bankers. Remember, he’s a real estate guy. He’s hooked his wagon to the transhumanist technologists.

Because what’s the belief of the technologists? That they can control people better than the bankers could.

Remember, the banking idea famously is linked to the Rothschild family through the Battle of Waterloo when they controlled the Bank of England. How did that happen? One of the Rothschilds, I believe it was Nathan Rothschild famously said, “I don’t care who rules England, just give me the ability to control the money and I control the country.”

So that has been in operation since 1812. When did that change? It changed when John Poindexter brought Peter Thiel into the Department of Defense. Whose administration was that? That’s Bush.

And if you want to know Top 5 Worst Presidents for probably Americans: George W and George H, two of the biggest criminals you can imagine. I’d put Obama up there because he’s in the Bush crew. But you need to understand that George W Bush allows Poindexter to bring Peter Thiel in.

Peter Thiel now is the enemy of the bankers. So what are we really fighting about? And what am I trying to talk to you about today? I’m trying to tell you the ultimate battle in our geopolitics is the transhumanist technologists against the banking elite. They hate each other.

That’s the reason why the transhumanists all like Bitcoin. It’s also the reason why the Jamie Dimon crowd, the Elizabeth Warren crowd, the Bernie Sanders crowd hate it, OK?

And once you understand that, then you realize if you’re a modern Bitcoiner, you have to understand some of the people at our table at Thanksgiving, our Uncle Peter, our Uncle Elon, our Uncle Reed, they’re not our friends. They just happen to own Bitcoin. And when you really understand Bitcoin and you understand Meyer Lansky, you need adversaries, Aaron, to actually own Bitcoin.

It’s smart. OK. You never want centralized control of money in any one place.

So for example, I’ll try to make this really simple for you: If you’re a sovereign person and you know you don’t have sovereignty in the United States, what would be another passport that you’d like? Maybe an Iranian one, maybe in a Lebanese one, maybe a Russian one. Is that the reason why Snowden is in Russia and not in the United States? Because you need an adversary to protect you from the tyranny of your own government.

Well, the same thing is true when it comes to money. So while many people who listen to this podcast may not realize I’m playing 4D chess when you’re playing checkers, I want people to understand, even though I dislike Peter Thiel, I dislike Sergey Brin, I dislike Elon Musk, I dislike Reed Hoffman. It’s imperative that they’re on our team, right now on the finance side.

Why? Because we have to eliminate the banking elite. The next level is we’re going to have to eliminate the surveillance guys. OK?

And that’s going to be a tougher task. But that’s the reason why your original questions to me in the beginning of this podcast are so important. Because those are biologic questions. Those are energy questions. Those are tied to AI. Those are tied to things around NVIDIA.

If you want to know the truth, this is the reason why that MIT physicist was just killed last week. Yeah. These things are all tied together, my friend.

And that is part of the reason why podcasts like this are important. Because there may be only 5%, 10% of your audience that wants to put all this together. But I will guarantee you this when you release it, people will listen to this. People will go, “Now, this is not something you hear every day!”

And a lot of it begins to make sense when you see it put together this way. And what do I want you to do? I don’t want you to believe a goddamn thing that I said today. I want you to factcheck every last bit of it.

And when you find out that I’m right, I only expect you to do one thing: Buy Bitcoin and then start asking better questions. Because when we do that, we’re going to have to change the world.

We’re going to have to change the way we communicate. We’re going to have to protect our melanin. We’re going to have to start making deuterium-depleted water like a one-a-day vitamin.

Those kind of things are going to become really important. Because then, Aaron, then we become enlightened.

Aaron Alexander: Dr Jack Kruse, thank you so much for making time to have this conversation.

Dr Jack Kruse: No problem. Anytime, my friend.

Aaron Alexander: Alright. I appreciate you, Brother.

Dr Jack Kruse: Alright. Bye-bye.