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Hosted by G Edward Griffin hosts former KGB Agent, Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov (“Tomas Schuman”) explains mind control or “ideological subversion,” as a process that is “legitimate,” in that nothing about it is specifically illegal. He personally worked in subversion, posing as a journalist in India during the 1960s until he grew weary of it and defected to the US. He describes the job of slowly changing the perception of a target group, in four stages:

1) Demoralization: It takes 15-20 years to demoralize a nation because it takes one generation of students of the target enemy country of being exposed to the ideology. He said “soft-headed” Americans were exposed to 3 generations of Marxist-Leninism without being counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism.

He describes the Marxist demoralization process in 1985 as “basically completed, already –– or ‘over-fulfilled.'” Demoralization had already become such that “Colonel Andropov couldn’t even dream of its success because Americans demoralize each other.” Exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information, facts or anything told to him, pictures, even being taken to a location, such as a concentration camp. He will not believe the truth until he receives a “kick in his fat bottom.”

2) Destabilization is the next stage. At this stage, the subverter does not care about your ideas or your patterns of consumption; whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn’t matter. It takes only 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. What matters are the essentials: economy, foreign relations and defense systems. “And in the areas of economy and defense systems, we can see that the influence of Marxist ideas is absolutely fantastic, I would never have believed it when I landed in this part of the world 14 years ago that the process would go that fast.

3) Crisis is the next stage; it takes as little as 6 weeks to bring a country to the brink of a crisis. He notes, “We can see that in Central America now.”

4) Normalization: After crisis and the violent change of power structure and economy, you have the period of normalization, which can last indefinitely. “Normalization” is a cynical expression from Soviet times, when the Soviets moved into the former Czechoslovakia in 1968, Leonid Brezhnev said, “Now the situation in ‘Brotherly Czechoslovakia’ is normalized.”

Alexandrovich explains that this is what will happen in the United States if the US allows “all the schmucks” to come in here, to destabilize the economy, to do away with free-market competition and to put a “Big Brother” government in Washington, DC, with “benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale.” He says they will promise you lots of things – never mind if the promises are fulfilled or not.

He says, “Your Leftists in the United States; all these professors and beautiful civil rights defenders — they are instrumental in the subversion — only until the destabilization is completed. Once the destabilization is completed, they’re not needed anymore,” because they know too much and become disillusioned. When they see that Marxist-Leninism comes with power, they become offended because they had expected to come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot. They may turn into the bitterest enemies of Marxist-Leninists.” Then he goes on to recount that this is exactly what happened to the governments of Nicaragua, Granada, Afghanistan, Bangladesh from the 1960s to the 1980s.

Alexandrovich was definitely on the take from the Reaganites of the day in his newfound country but his Cold War tactics seem to be an eerily apt description of the current situation, not only in the US but worldwide.

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