ICE Agents Could Be Assassinated If Sanctuary City Insurrections Allowed to Continue

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Dan Lyman: Good day, Dan Lyman, Editor-in-Chief at BorderHawk.News. I’m joined today by the great Mike Davis. Mike is the founder and president of the Article 3 Project and one of the most prolific based posters who goes by his own name on X. We appreciate his commentary so much. Mike, you have a long list of bona fides. Please tell the audience a bit more about yourself and what you’re doing.

Mike Davis: Well, first of all, Dan, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate what you’re doing at BorderHawk to expose this invasion of our country by people who do not share our values, and they’re trying to subvert and destroy America from within.

I am Mike Davis, as you said, I started the Article 3 Project almost seven years ago when I left the Senate Judiciary Committee, I was the chief counsel for nominations on the Senate Judiciary Committee, including during the Kavanaugh confirmation, as the Staff Leader, a record number of President Trump’s judges in his first term, where he transformed the federal judiciary, including the Supreme Court, to the first constitutionalist majority in 90 years.

But I saw when I was on the Senate Judiciary Committee during the Kavanaugh fight that we had a void on the right where we needed a group that had insider experience but was willing to fight.

And I was willing to do that and I’m leaving a lot of money up on the table at law firms to go do this. I’ve been doing this for, like I said, almost seven years. We have gone from confirming President Trump’s judges in his first term, opposing Biden’s judges during his term, but we’ve really been focused on the lawfare against President Trump, the unprecedented Republican lawfare against President Trump, and the current judicial sabotage, now that Trump is back in office.

Another part of this that we have been working on, that ties into what you’re doing at Border Hawk is immigration, and it’s a broader issue than just people in our country. It’s about who we are as a country. What kind of people do we want to have as part of our citizenry in America? What kind of people do we want in our society? And that’s what we should get into, as we have this talk today.

Dan Lyman: Absolutely. And as you mentioned, our focus at Border Hawk is immigration and border issues. And we feel that virtually every ailment in our country at this point can be rooted back to immigration in one way or another.

How would you, from a 35,000-foot view, how would you rate the administration’s handling of immigration issues? Let’s say the border issue being one and internal issues being another. How have they done so far during the first 10, 11 months here?

Mike Davis: President Trump and his team are getting an A+. President Trump campaigned on the fact that he is going to secure our border. He’s going to expel illegal aliens, and he’s going to start with the most vicious illegal aliens like Tren de Aragua and MS-13 terrorists, the most vicious terrorists in the Western Hemisphere.

President Trump has delivered. The border is secure. Instead of floods of illegal aliens coming into our country, including unvetted and unvettable fighting-age men from the world’s biggest trouble spots, the message has been sent out that our border is closed. And so that has stopped. And now we are mass deporting people out of our country, led by Tom Homan and Stephen Miller and Christine Noem and many others.

They’re doing a phenomenal job of doing this, despite the constant sabotage by Democrat attorneys and Democrat plaintiffs and Democrat judges in Democrat hellholes, like New York, DC, Atlanta, Boston. President Trump is winning. He’s winning bigly.

And he’s doing this, his immigration team is getting a giant assist from President Trump’s all-star Justice Department team, led by Attorney General Pam Bondi, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, FBI Director Kash Patel, Deputy Director Dan Bongino, John Sauer, the Solicitor General Stanley Woodward, the number three, the US Attorneys who are starting to get confirmed around our country, Judge Dineen Pirro, Jason Redding, Quiñones, Lindsey Halligan is on an interim appointment in the Eastern District of Virginia, President Trump’s immigration and legal Justice Department teams are starting to fire on all cylinders, and we’re seeing very good results. That is so important. There’s nothing more important than securing our border.

Dan Lyman: Yes, indeed. As we say, in 2016, the president was elected on the promise to build the wall, and in 2024, he was elected on the promise of mass deportations. There have been some concerns that the deportations have not picked up steam quickly enough or that they’re not widespread enough or that not enough people are being removed from the country.

But as you mentioned, we’re starting to see them pick up steam. We’re starting to see broader conversations about how to handle large numbers. We’re seeing the different arrangements that are being made with the states via the One Big Beautiful Bill to open up detention facilities.

We’re seeing talks of using warehouses for detention. But what we’re also seeing is war in the streets, Chicago being the prime example, Portland being another example, Los Angeles. We’re seeing what I thought would happen. Some other people didn’t necessarily see it going to be this violent on the ground, and I think that it’s going to get more violent moving forward.

How do you see the administration handling, for instance, this situation in Chicago, where you have shootings now, you have sometimes four and five vehicle rammings a day on Border Patrol Agents? Do you see them cracking down more on that, or do you think that it’s just going to be this protracted battle for years to come, friction on the ground, let’s say?

Mike Davis: These US Attorneys around the country must get much more aggressive about prosecuting people who are obstructing federal law enforcement, which is a Federal Crime, who are harboring illegal aliens, including providing financial support to illegal aliens, which is a Federal Crime, assault on federal law enforcement, which is a Federal Crime, and Conspiracy to do all of those things, which is a federal crime. So obstruction, harboring, assault, conspiracy.

The US Attorneys need to start charging people and charging people much more aggressively than they’re doing now. That is something that needs to ramp up. It is unacceptable that you have these Democrat politicians working with these Democrat attorneys and activists to assault federal law enforcement officers. It’s unacceptable, and there have to be consequences for this. And so the US Attorneys need to step up.

Dan Lyman: Indeed. And on that topic, the various administration officials, including Pam Bondi, including Tom Homan and the president himself, have either hinted at or openly discussed the fact that officials in sanctuary jurisdictions, such as Governor J.B. Pritzker, such as Mayor Brandon Johnson, they’ve talked about arresting them, if they continue to harbor illegals and to flout the federal government.

We haven’t seen that yet. We recently asked the White House if that was still being talked about, if there are plans to do that. And the way they answered was a little wishy-washy. We didn’t get the impression that they were thinking of actually going after these people and prosecuting them for leading sanctuary jurisdictions that are openly in rebellion against the Federal Government.

Do you think that they’ll pick back up on that in the future here? Do you think that there’s just not enough political will to do that?

Mike Davis: You talked about how this is going to get more violence with these clashes between these Democrat activists and these ICE Agents. You’re going to start seeing ICE Agents seriously hurt and maybe even killed by these activists and that can’t happen. And if that happens, that’s when we’re going to have to drop the hammer on these Sanctuary Cities, including these governors and these mayors and other politicians who are harboring illegal aliens.

Again, it is a serious Federal Felony. I think it’s 8 USC 1341 is what I think it is. I just off memory to harbor illegal aliens. You cannot do that. That includes providing financial support to illegal aliens. That is a Federal Felony and nobody’s above the law. Just because you’re a politician, you don’t get to harbor illegal aliens and violate Federal Felony statutes.

It’s also a federal crime to assault federal law enforcement to aid in the bets and that assault on federal law enforcement to conspire to assault federal law enforcement. You can’t do these things – especially if you’re a governor or a mayor. They should actually be held to higher standards than people because they are an elected official and they know it’s totally unacceptable to use their official power to harm federal law enforcement.

Dan Lyman: Indeed, and we’ve actually seen elected officials around the country participating in agitation and potentially, in writing at various locations across the country. So it remains to be seen how the Administration is going to handle these people as things, unfortunately, probably get more violent, as you mentioned. And we’d hate to see anything happen.

But we saw Border Patrol take fire this weekend. The suspect arrested has been identified as a Mexican illegal. The Latin kings have put out hits on federal agents. So it’s only getting a little more heated every day, it seems like. And it’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out,

Along those lines as well, the issue of Antifa: Antifa has been actively participating in these riots across the country, both related to immigration and not, as we saw yesterday in Berkeley, TPUSA. The administration has classified them now as a domestic terrorist organization. Do you see them tightening the grip around Antifa moving forward? Because we’re waiting to see that happen. It seems like they could root these people out pretty easily.

Mike Davis: Remember, when the Democrats used to say Antifa was simply an “idea”, it wasn’t an organization? And now, it’s gone to, “Well, it’s an organization, but they’re not violent”. Well, now they’re a violent organization, but the Democrats want to justify it, that they’re essentially “Freedom Fighters” for these illegal aliens.

Again, these US Attorneys around the country, who tend to be the biggest cowards on the planet, need to drop the hammer and they need to start charging Antifa. They need to start charging people who are—essentially, it’s a RICO conspiracy, what they’re doing.

They are organizing, through violence to try to subvert our government. It’s an insurrection when they get violent against our federal government and fight against the power of the federal government. And they’re doing that when they’re fighting against the federal government’s power under the Constitution to control our borders.

So it’s unacceptable. Again, these US Attorneys need to step up and do their jobs. They are wimps, and we will start calling them out by name at the Article 3 Project if they don’t start doing their damn jobs.

And they certainly are not the candidates we would consider to be bold and fearless judges, if they can’t take down people who are assaulting federal law enforcement officers.

Dan Lyman: Indeed, especially if they’re these goofy, dressed-up in animal costumes. If they’re as goofy and lame as we call them out to be, they should be easy to take down if there was the political will to do so.

I want to turn to a tweet that you put up. This was actually just earlier today. I thought it was great:

“America should only welcome a very limited number of people who share our values, want to fully assimilate, and add value to our society. We must expel everyone else, especially Islamists. We’re not a third world dumping ground. We don’t have a death wish.”

Expand on that a little bit for us.

Mike Davis: So we have to remember how our Constitution works in America. In America, we the people are the sovereign citizens. We have the sovereign power as we the people, and we loan power to our governments—federal, state, local, tribal governments—through a loan agreement called the US Constitution. The federal governments and state governments and tribal governments only have the specific enumerated and divided powers that we the people, as the sovereign citizens, give them.

This is radically different from Great Britain, from which we escaped, where sovereign power flows from God to the King or Queen, who’s the sovereign, and then power gets lent to its subjects through sovereign crumbs, like documents called the Magna Carta, just to keep the subjects in line.

That’s not how we are in America. We the people are the sovereign citizens. One of our most basic, foundational, crucial sovereign powers is to control our population, to control our borders, to control who we are as We the People.

We have always been a very welcoming people, but we should not be a stupid people. We have not spent centuries becoming the wealthiest, greatest country on earth to turn over that generational wealth to Third-World Marxists who hate us and want to destroy us, particularly Islamists.

We the People give Congress the power to control our borders, and it’s done through a very careful selection process. Joe Biden completely disregarded that and just mass-imported, violated federal law, and illegally mass-paroled tens of millions of people into our country, including people who hate us—Islamists and others who hate us. They do not share our values, as We the People.

We are a Judeo-Christian country. We welcome other religions. We welcome other cultures but we are a Judeo-Christian country, and we don’t want to change that. We do not want to become the United Kingdom, overrun by Islamists, who are trying to destroy the country from within, trying to destroy the West from within.

So there is nothing that is more damaging to that Constitutional system we have than when politicians or politicians in robes, particularly Federal Judges, unelected politicians in robes, think they can take away we the people’s sovereign power to control our population and to control our border. That is unacceptable. It is a red line, and it cannot happen.

And so if these politicians want a country to turn into Bosnia and balkanize and fall apart, that’s how you do it. You mass-import people, tens of millions of people from all over the world. You don’t have them assimilate, and you destroy our country. That’s exactly what today’s Democrats want.

That’s what these Marxist Democrats, these socialists, these George Soros-types, these Open Borders types, this is what they’ve done to Europe. They’ve destroyed Europe with their open borders, and they’re going to try to do the same thing in America. It is unacceptable. It’s a red line, and we cannot let it happen.

Dan Lyman: Yes, as somebody who lived in Europe for a long time, I saw what rampant mass migration from third-world Islamic dumps does to an entire continent, continental suicide. It’s been hard to see.

And to see it happening here, we saw this in the most recent elections. A lot of Islamists won some pretty prominent positions across the country, and that’s very concerning, and you think there’s probably going to be more of that to come.

Going back to what you were just saying and giving you a final question here, this one might be a little bit just your opinion. It’s a little bit of interest to many people right now, but it’s probably a bit controversial. We’ve had the conversation about mass deportations for years now, but really ramped up in the last year and a half. During the end of the campaign, you saw that was one of the top issues that was being considered by the American voter.

At that time, I think a lot of people would have said, “Hey, we need to get rid of 10 million people. Then people started saying, maybe it’s more like 20 million, because Biden probably let in 15 or 20 million. A lot of us were saying, well, if Biden let in 15 or 20 million, there were already 15 to 30 million here before. We’re probably closer to 50 million.”

I’m seeing people, reputable people, as well as the Anons, starting to throw around numbers like 50 million, 100 million, where people are saying, like you said, we have a right to control who lives in our country.

It’s a little bit easier to have that conversation when you talk about people that are here illegally in the country. We asked the Attorney General of Florida, James Othmeyer, how many people he thinks are here in the country illegally. He estimated 40 to 50 million, which aligns with what we think, as well. You might feel the same way.

However, it gets a little murkier when you start talking about the next 10 to 50 million after that, but there are probably legal avenues to get there. There are people talking about denaturalization. There are, of course, removal of TPS, removal of asylum protections.

What in your opinion is the number of people that probably should be removed from the country, one way or another, and then what are the legal mechanisms to get there, once you get past people who are just here illegally?

Mike Davis: Every one of them should be gone, 50 million, whatever the number is. If you are here illegally, you should be gone. We should prioritize the violent ones, the most dangerous ones, but they should all be gone.

We need to cut off all federal, state, local, tribal funding to illegal aliens. We should charge people who are providing financial assistance to illegal aliens with harboring, a Federal Felony, as we discussed. We need to get these people the hell out of our country.

I used to have a lot of compassion for people who wanted to come to our country. Maybe 10 years ago, I may have turned a blind eye to some illegals who came here who just wanted to work. I have zero compassion for them, anymore. There is a lawful way to come through the process. No one likes line-skippers. These people are line-skippers. They didn’t go through the process. There should be no more amnesty. We should get these people the Hell out of our country.

Another thing that needs to come up with the Supreme Court, this idea of Birthright Citizenship, and this is very important. People think that, after the 14th Amendment, after the Civil War, as part of the 14th Amendment, there is a provision that gives Birthright Citizenship. It’s supposed to go to the children of the freed slaves.

It has been misunderstood for decades. People think that if you have a child in America, you get Birthright Citizenship. That child gets Birthright Citizenship under the 14th Amendment. That is simply not the case. If you look at the 14th Amendment, Birthright Citizenship goes to people who are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Foreign invading armies are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Foreign ambassadors are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. There is a Supreme Court case that said American Indians were not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. You have to have Birthright Citizenship enacted through Congress, instead of the 14th Amendment.

So ask this question: If American Indians do not have Birthright Citizenship under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, how the Hell would illegal aliens have birthright citizenship?

You have to show that you are loyal to the United States. There’s been a Supreme Court case, the Chinese Exclusion case, that lawful permanent residence, people who are here lawfully and permanently and have allegiance to the United States, their kids get birthright citizenship, but illegal aliens and their kids do not get birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

So that has been wrong. That has been wrong for a long time, and the Supreme Court has the opportunity to fix this in a case before the Supreme Court. I don’t know what they’ll do because I don’t know if they have the political balls to do it, but it is very clear that illegal aliens’ kids do not get Birthright Citizenship under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

If we want to give that to them, Congress can pass a statute. We the People can have Congress pass a statute that gives Birthright Citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, but they should not have it.

And again, that goes to our most crucial sovereign right as We the People to control our border and control our population, and we never gave that away. So, the Supreme Court needs to remember that, when they violate our most crucial sovereign power as we the people to control our border and population.

Dan Lyman: Yeah, this is one of the biggest, most pressing issues in immigration now, the issue of Birthright Citizenship. And if Congress did try to pass that, I would imagine it would be wildly unpopular. So we’ll see how that goes.

Mr Davis, thank you so much for your time. Please let everyone know where they can find you, your work, your organizations, and where we can follow along.

Mike Davis: Really appreciate it. It’s article3project.org, article number 3project.org. You can donate only what you can afford, follow us on social media, but the most important thing your audience can do is go to our action page, action, action, action. We light up politicians and get them to move.