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This is the interview of Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London directed by another legendary social crusader and fellow AussieJohn Pilger, released on November 5, 2016.
Assange and his company, WikiLeaks have been pivotal in this leak-driven US Presidential election. Yet, this imprisoned man has nothing to crow about, living confined to two small rooms with no access to the outdoors, to say nothing of his family and friends – and all of the other simple pleasures that come with not being illegally detained.
True to form, he does not reveal his sources.
Assange gives his own special insights about the tens of thousands of Clinton and Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks and he gives his surprisingly compassionate insights about Hillary Clinton as a human being.
He talks about what it’s like to be a political prisoner of the United States. He describes his frustration with a global press that assumes that he is guilty of any charge, when the facts are that he was never charged in Sweden and has since been cleared and found innocent of any of the sordid allegations made about him; that the woman, herself claims that the police made the story up, that the UN has formally found that all extradition charges against him to be illegal, that the State of Ecuador has made a formal assessment through its own legal processes and has found that Assange is the subject of persecution by the United States.
As he says, “No state accepts to call the people it is imprisoning or detaining for political reasons, ‘political prisoners’. They don’t call them ‘political prisoners’ in China, they don’t call them ‘political prisoners’ in Azerbaijan – and they don’t call them ‘political prisoners’ in the United States, UK or Sweden…Because it doesn’t suit the Western establishment narrative…
“Yes, the West has political prisoners. It’s a reality; it’s not just me, there’s a bunch of other people, as well.”

To see the video of this historic interview and the full transcript, please click on one of the links, below.

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FULL TRANSCRIPT

JP: What’s the significance of the FBI’s intervention, in this last week of the US election campaign, in the case against Hillary Clinton?

JA: If you look at the history of the FBI, it has become effectively America’s political police and the FBI demonstrated this by taking down the former head of the CIA; classified information given to his mistress. Almost no one was untouchable.

The FBI is always trying to demonstrate that, “No one can resist us” but Hillary Clinton, very conspicuously resisted the FBI’s investigation, so there’s anger within the FBI because it made the FBI look weak.

We published quite a number of different sets of emails, so about 33,000 of Clinton’s emails, while she was Secretary of State. They come from a batch of just over 60,000 emails. Of those sixty thousand emails, Clinton has kept about half; 30,000 to herself and we’ve published about half – and then there are the Podesta emails. We’ve been publishing Podesta – he’s Hillary Clinton’s primary campaign manager. This is a thread that runs through all these emails: there is quite a lot of pay-for-play, as they call it, taking/giving access, in exchange for money from many different states, individuals and corporations. Combined with the cover-up of the Hillary Clinton emails, while she was Secretary of State has led to an environment where the pressure on the FBI increases.

JP: The Clinton campaign has said that Russia is behind all of this. It says the Russia has manipulated the campaign and is the source for WikiLeaks and its emails.

JA: The Clinton camp has been able to project a kind of neo-McCarthyism, “The Russians responsible for everything.”

Hillary Clinton stated multiple times – falsely – that 17 US intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of applications. That’s false. We can say that the Russian government is not the source. WikiLeaks has been publishing for 10 years. In that 10 years, we’ve published 10 million documents; several thousand individual publications, several thousand different sources – and we have never got it wrong.

JP: All the emails that give evidence of access for money and how Hillary Clinton, herself benefited from this and how she is benefiting politically are quite extraordinary. I’m thinking of where the Qatari representative was given five minutes with Clinton/" target="_blank">Bill Clinton for a 1 million-dollar check and many other examples can you –

JA: – or $12 million from Morocco –

JP: – right – In terms of the foreign policy, the United States – that’s where – for me, anyway, with the emails and most revealing, where they show the direct connection between Hillary Clinton and the Foundation of jihadism of ISIL in the Middle East. Can you talk something about that? How the emails demonstrate this connection; between those who are meant to be fighting the jihadis, ISIL are actually those who have helped create it?

JA: There’s an early 2014 email from Hillary Clinton, so not so long after she was Secretary of State to her campaign manager, John Podesta. In that email, it states that ISIL/ISIS is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar – the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This is, actually, I think this is the most significant email in the whole collection and perhaps because Saudi and Qatari money is spread all over the place, including including into many media institutions.

All serious analyst know – even the US government has mentioned or agreed with that some Saudi figures have been supporting ISIS, funding ISIS – but the dodge has always been “That’s it’s just some rogue princes, using their cut of the oil money to do it – but actually, the government disapproves.”

That email says that, “No, it is the governments of Saudi – the government both – and Qatar – that have been funding ISIS.”

JP: The Saudis, the Qataris, the Moroccans the Bahrainis – particularly the Saudis and the Qataris – are giving all this money to the Clinton Foundation, while Hillary Clinton is Secretary of State and the State Department is approving massive arms sales, particularly to Saudi Arabia.

JA: Under Hillary Clinton – and our Clinton emails reveal significant discussion about it, the largest-ever arms deal in the world was made with Saudi Arabia – more than 80 billion dollars,

In fact, during her tenure as Secretary of State, total arms exports from United States in terms of the dollar value doubled.

JP: Doubled! And of course the consequence of that is this notorious terrorist jihadist group called ISIL or ISIS is created largely with money from the very people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation.

JA: Yes.

JP: That’s extraordinary.

JA: Look. Hillary Clinton’s is just a person. I actually feel quite sorry for Hillary Clinton, as a person because I see someone who is eaten alive by their ambitions; tormented, literally to the point where there they become sick, they faint, as a result of going on, going on with their ambitions – but she represents a whole network of people and the network of relationships, also with particular States.

The question is how does Hillary Clinton fit in this broader network? She is a centralizing cog, so that you’ve got a lot of different gears in operation, from the big banks, like Goldman-Sachs and major elements of Wall Street and intelligence and even the State Department and the Saudis, and so on. She’s, the if you like, the centralizer that interconnects all these different cogs. She’s a smooth central representation of all that – and all that is, more or less are what is in power now, in the United States. It’s what we called “the establishment” or the “DC consensus” and its influences.

In fact, one of the more significant Podesta emails that we released was about how the Obama Cabinet was formed. Half of the Obama cabinet was basically nominated by a representative from Citibank, which is quite amazing.

JP: Didn’t Citibank supply a list which turned out to be most of Obama cabinet?

JA: Yes.

JP: So, Wall Street decides the Cabinet of the President of the United States.

JA: If you were following the Obama campaign back then, closely, you could see that it had become very close to banking interests. It wasn’t so close to the oil interests, but it was very close to banking interests.

So, I think you can’t properly understand Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy without understanding Saudi Arabia. The connections with Saudi Arabia so intimate.

JP: Why was she so demonstrably enthusiastic about the destruction of Libya? Can you talk a little about just what the emails of told us – told you – about what happened there? Because Libya is such a source for so much of the mayhem now in Syria, the ISIL jihadism and so on and it was almost Hillary Clinton’s invasion. What do the emails tell us about that?

JA: Libya, more than anyone else’s war, was Hillary Clinton’s war. Barack Obama initially opposed it.

Who was the person who was championing it? Hillary Clinton. That’s documented throughout her emails. She had she put her have favored agent, in effect Sidney Blumenthal onto that. There’s more than 1,700 emails out of the 33,000 Hillary Clinton emails we published, just about Libya.

It’s not about the “Libya has cheap oil”. She perceived to the removal of Gaddafi and the overthrow of the Libyan state something that she would use to run in the General Election for President.

So, late in 2011, as an internal document called “Libya Tick-Tock”, that was produced for Hillary Clinton. And it’s all the – it’s a chronological description of how Hillary Clinton was the central figure in the destruction of the Libyan State.

As a result, there were around forty thousand deaths within Libya. Jihadis moved in, Isis moved in. That led to the European refugee and Migrant Crisis, because not only did you have people fleeing Libya, people then fleeing Syria, destabilization of other African countries, as a result of arms flows; the Libyan State, itself was no longer able to control the movement of people through it. Libya faces onto the Mediterranean and so it had been effectively the “cork” in the bottle of Africa – to all problems, economic problems, civil war in Africa.

Previously, people fleeing those problems didn’t end up in Europe because Libya policed the Mediterranean and that was said, explicitly at the time, back in early 2011 by Qaddafi: “What do these Europeans think that they are doing, trying to bomb and destroy the Libyan State? There’s going to be floods of migrants out of Africa and jihadist into Europe.” And that is exactly what happened.

JP: You get a lot of complaints from people saying, “What is WikiLeaks doing? Are they trying to put Trump in the White House?”

JA: My analysis is that Trump would not be permitted to win. Why do I say that? Because he doesn’t have any establishment on his side. Trump doesn’t have one establishment – maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals – if you can call them an “establishment”. But banks, intelligence, arms companies –

JP: They all want him beat.

JA: Foreign money, etc. are all united behind Hillary Clinton – and the media, as well. So, media owners are – and journalists, themselves.

JP: The accusation that WikiLeaks is in league with the Russians and you hear people saying, “Well, why doesn’t WikiLeaks investigate and publish emails on Russia?”

JA: We have published over 800,000 documents of various kinds, that relate to Russia. Most of those are critical. A great many books have come out of our publications about Russia – most of which are critical. Our documents have gone on to be used, in quite a number of court cases, refugee cases, of people fleeing; some kinds of claims of political persecution in Russia, which they use our documents to back up.

JP: Do you take yourself a view of the US election? Do you have a preference for Clinton or Trump?

JA: Donald Trump, what does he represent in the American mind and in the European mind? He represents American white trash; deplorable, an irredeemable, basically the same thing.

It means, from an establishment or educated, cosmopolitan, urbane perspective: these people are, you know, they’re the “rednecks” and you can’t – like, they’re just – you can never deal with them.

And because he so clearly, through his words and actions, at a time people turn up his rallies, represents people who are NOT the middle, not the upper-middle-class, educated – there’s a fear of seeming to be associated, in any way with that – a social fear that lowers the class status of anyone who can be accused of somehow assisting, in any way Trump, including by criticizing Clinton. And that and if you look at how the Middle Class gains its economic and social power, it makes absolute sense.

JP: I’d like to talk about Ecuador, a small country that has given you refuge and giving you asylum in this Embassy in London. Now, Ecuador cut off the Internet from here we’re doing this interview in the Embassy. To the clearly obvious reason that they were concerned about appearing to intervene in the US Election campaign. Can you talk about why they would take that action and your own views on Ecuador’s support for you?

JA: Let’s let’s go back four years ago. I made an application to Ecuador, in this Embassy because of the US extradition case and the result was, after a month I was successful – and then the Embassy has been surrounded by police – quite an expensive police operation, which the British government admits to spending more than 12.6 million pounds; they admitted that over a year ago.

Now, there’s undercover police and there’s robot surveillance cameras of various kinds, so that there has been a quite serious conflict, right here, in the heart of London, between Ecuador, in a country of 60 million people, in the United Kingdom and the Americans have been helping on the side. so that was a brave and principled thing for Ecuador to do

Now we have the US Election afoot, the Ecuadorian election is in February of next year. You have the White House feeling the political heat as a result of the true information that we have been publishing.

WikiLeaks does not publish from the jurisdiction of Ecuador; from this Embassy or in Ecuadorian Territory. We publish from France, we publish from Germany, we publish from the Netherlands and a number of other countries.

So, that the attempted squeeze on WikiLeaks is through my refugee status, this is really intolerable. You try and get at a publishing organization, you try and prevent it publishing true information that is of intense interest to the American people and others about an election.

JP: Tell us what would happen if you walked out of this Embassy?

JA: I would be immediately arrested by the British police and I would then be extradited, either immediately to the United States or to Sweden. In Sweden, I am not charged. I’ve already been previously cleared, etc. so we’re not certain exactly what would happen there but then we know that the Swedish government has refused to say that they will not extradite me to the United States and they have extradited one hundred percent of people that the US has requested, since at least 2000. So, over the last 15 years, every single person the US has tried to get extradited from Sweden has been extradited and they refuse to provide a guarantee. So it’s yeah –

JP: Many people often ask how you cope with the isolation here?

JA: Look, one of the best attributes of human beings is it they’re adaptable. One of the worst attributes of human beings is that they are adaptable. They adapt and start to tolerate abuses. They adapt to being involved, themselves in abuses. They adapt to adversity and continue on. So, in my situation, frankly, I’m a bit institutionalized. This is the world, visually…

JP: It is a world is a without sunlight for one thing

JA: It’s world without sunlight but I haven’t seen sunlight in so long, I don’t remember – yeah, you adapt.

The one real irritant is that my young children, they also adapt. They adapt to – being without their father – that’s a hard adaptation, which they didn’t ask for.

JP: You worry about them.

JA: Yeah, I worry about them, I worry about their mother.

JP: Some people would say, “Well, why don’t you end it and simply walk out the door and allow yourself to be extradited to Sweden?”

JA: The UN has looked into this whole situation and spent 18 months in formal adversarial litigation, me at the UN vs Sweden and the UK; Who’s right? The UN made a conclusion that I am being arbitrarily detained, illegally deprived to my freedom; that what has been occurred has not occurred within the laws that the United Kingdom and Sweden must obey: it’s it is illegal abuse.

When the United Nations, formally asking, “What’s going on, here? What’s your legal explanation for this? He says that you should you should recognize his Asylum. Sweden, formally writing back to United Nations says, “No. We’re not going to.” So, leaving open their ability to extradite.

I just find it absolutely amazing that the narrative about the situation is not put out publicly in the press. Because it doesn’t suit the Western establishment narrative. That yes, the West has political prisoners. It’s a reality; it’s not just me, there’s a bunch of other people, as well.

The West has political prisoners. No state accepts to call the people it is imprisoning or detaining for political reasons, “political prisoners”. They don’t call them “political prisoners” in China, they don’t call them “political prisoners” in Azerbaijan – and they don’t call them “political prisoners” in the United States, UK or Sweden.

It’s absolutely intolerable to have that kind of self-perception – but here we have a case – talking about the Swedish case – where I have never been charged with a crime; we have already been cleared and found to be innocent; where the woman, herself said that police made it up; where the United Nations formally said the whole thing is illegal, where the State of Ecuador also investigated and found that I should be given asylum.

Those are those are the facts – but what is the rhetoric?

JP: Different.

JA: The rhetoric is pretending. Constantly pretending that I have been charged with a crime – never mentioning that I have been already previously cleared, never mentioning that the woman, herself says that the police made it up, trying to avoid that the UN formally found that the whole thing is illegal, never even mentioning that Ecuador made a formal assessment through its formal processes and found that yes, I am subject to persecution by the United States.

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  • I have problems with the whole circus unfolding; why??????

    Wikileaks Exposed – The man behind the NWO Curtain
    First off I would like to apologize
    to all my friends here at ATS for helping
    push this wiki agenda. I was fooled by
    it from the beginning just like a lot
    of you were. And I unknowingly pushed
    the wiki agenda through my posts. It
    was no my intention to fall into this
    NWO Agenda. I ask for your forgiveness.

    Recently my investigation has brought
    to light some evidence that clarifies
    to me beyond a reasonable doubt that
    Wikileaks nor Julian Assange are what
    they appear to be. So without further ado
    let’s get to the meat and potatos
    Wikileaks is a Psy-Op for the NWO Agenda
    In today’s times where terrorism runs rampant
    across many countries. There is no flag
    associated with terrorism. There is no
    one country associated with terrorism.
    However there is one thing associated
    with terrorism on every level. That is
    MONEY.

    If I follow the money associated
    with Wikileaks, I find a very prominent
    name associated with it.

    George Soros

    Julian Assange is paid by George Soros
    geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com…
    and here
    http://www.thenewamerican.com...

    So how does the wikileak scheme work?
    Soros sets up a website called wikileaks
    to obtain information on ALL governments,
    not just the US.

    Unsuspecting whistleblowers go to the
    site and graciously give up their
    data to an unknown entity.

    That info is then used as blackmail
    against enemies of Soros, such as
    competing partners, Banks not aligned
    with the Soros line, Corporations,
    Politicians, Governments of every make
    and model. The agenda is NOT money.
    It is power and control. If you have
    the power to control everyone, then
    you can rule the world. Soros doesn’t want
    your money, he wants your soul.

    So Soros can’t get the PR campaign going
    to get his blackmail evidence without a
    public face that everybody trusts. In comes
    a wandering genuis by the name of Julian Assange
    who has a baby face that everybody will
    love and trust. Julian becomes the public role
    model of wikileaks to gain the public trust.
    More blackmail data is shared and Soros
    increases his ability to mainipulate
    world governments by blackmailing them
    into submission.

    One more piece of the puzzle is disclosed.
    Guess who is representing Bradley Manning
    in his Court martial?

    Manning’s attorney is Mark Stevens, who also
    does pro-bono work for George Soros and the
    Open Society Institute.

    Additionally, Assange negotiated with George Soros’
    Open Society Institute for funding for Wikileaks.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com...

    How do you hide and sustain this Psy-Op?
    You buy off or blackmail existing clandestine operatives
    from existing agencies like Mossad and CIA. If
    anyone comes asking or reporting evidence
    of this scheme, they place that info directly
    into the hands of the enemy. The evidence
    is disposed of. The best intel ops u can buy
    are the ones already working in the agency.

    So why are the leaks release incrementally?
    All the blackmail data Soros has is not of use
    to him. But if he wants an agenda accomplished
    then he can dig through the data to find out
    which leaks will hurt the person or country
    whom he targets. Right now, Soros’ target is
    the good ole USA. The one remaining
    superpower that stands in his way.
    So how does Soros attack America? By
    showing the world how evil they are.
    Killing innocent reporters in Iraq,
    showing ongoing spy programs that shouldn’t
    exist, showing how corrupt banks take
    our money, etc….

    How does Soros get total control?
    By making war between countries
    to make them financially weak.
    Then he can walk in as their savior
    and then all hail Soros. How do you
    make war? By exposing their true colors.
    Their human emotions. Saudi hates Iran!
    China hates North Korea, etc…
    This is a game to Soros, which up til now
    he has played everyone like Nero’s fiddle.

    The MSM connection
    We were all told by the press that each
    news network received their wikileak releases
    directly from Julian Assange and wikileaks.
    This is not the case. This was a lie.

    Dean Baquet, the Times Washington bureau chief, told The
    Cutline in an email that “it is true we did not get the
    documents directly from WikiLeaks. But I can’t go beyond that,”
    Baquet continued. “I think the other papers will have to
    answer questions about their arrangements.”
    news.yahoo.com…

    So if the networks did not get the info
    from Julian, then who???

    That is the remaining 6 million dollar
    question. But I’d put money on the fact
    that George Soros would know who that was.

    So as you can see, Soros is connected to this
    world Psy-Op on every level. Contacts, Money,
    and Power. So the truth is revealed as
    to who remains behind the curtain.
    And the NWO ringleader is revealed.

    So what does Julian say about this?

    Let’s read a leaked e-mail from Julian

    To: John Young
    From: Wikileaks
    Subject: martha stuart pgp
    Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:20:25 -0500

    —–BEGIN PGP MESSAGE—–
    Version: None

    J. We are going to fxxx them all. Chinese mostly, but not entirely a feint. Invention
    abounds. Lies, twists and distorts everywhere needed for protection. Hackers monitor
    chinese and other intel as they burrow into their targets, when they pull, so do we.
    Inxhaustible supply of material. Near 100,000 documents/emails a day. We’re going to crack the world open and let it flower into something new. If fleecing the CIA will assist us, then fleece we will. We have pullbacks from NED, CFR, Freedomhouse and other CIA teats. We have all of pre 2005 afghanistan. Almost all of india fed. Half
    a dozen foreign ministries. Dozens of political parties and consulates, worldbank,
    apec, UN sections, trade groups, tibet and fulan dafa associations and… russian
    phishing mafia who pull data everywhere. We’re drowing. We don’t even know a tenth
    of what we have or who it belongs to. We stopped storing it at 1Tb.
    http://www.daily.pk...

    Now, the even bigger question is:
    What will be done about it? and
    Will Soros be indicted for world
    extortion?

    And I do not think I have to post
    how Soros is connected to Mossad
    and the CIA. I will leave a little work
    for you guys to join in

    Related articles on ATS:
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com...
    good job by Dimensional Detective

    best wishes and God speed
    boon

  • This is fascinating. This educates the sheeple that are fed total bs everyday by the elite establishment media. Why is everyone so satisfied with the lies of the media? Is it because the government’s ‘bread and circus’ bribes has numbed us to the truth? Is it because we fear the truth? Listen to the first ten minutes of this interview and you will understand how HRC’s thirst for power has turned her into a pawn for the real powers of the world- the corporations and foreign powers. She traded her office for their hundreds of millions of dollars and now she owes them. Tomorrow is the last day of the democracy as we know it- as flawed and crumbling as it was- we won’t be prepared for what is coming. No more 🇺🇸. Welcome to the new world order, open borders and globalism where we are all equal under one world order- controlled by our new leaders. George Orwell- the chickens have come home to roost. Hide your guns. Stock up on ammo, because i sure as hell will not have my freedoms taken unless it’s from my cold dead hand. #newworldorder #thesheepledoomedus

  • What I don’t understand is Human Rights organizations like Amnesty Int’l or even the Red Cross, the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, nobody seems interested in helping this courageous man while Amnesty for instance is quick to criticize countries like Africa, Asia or South America regarding their record on human rights it looks like they refuse to acknowledge that in Europe too we have political prisoners just like in the States, that need protection from our governments abuse of power.

    • I remember hearing something like this 5 years ago…it’s very interesting, though. We should keep out eyes on this.

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